KK, dry flop QQ... 50NL

downbytheriver · #1 12-11-2006, 01:22 PM

CO ($47.50)
Button ($3.22)
SB ($22.20)
BB ($63.07)
UTG ($48.50)
Hero ($50.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3.

Turn: ($10.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB raises to $8, Hero calls $4.

River: ($26.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BET ak47bullet, $12
Hero folds
ak47bullet does not show cards.
ak47bullet wins $36.95

pretty new to table, its rather tightish table. Villian is 23/10 over only 25 hands, not much of a read on him. 5/10 aggresion frequeny post flop.

the raise made me think Q or even possibly 22, i probably should have either reraised or folded the turn as player. but maybe even better yet check call (to a small enough bet) turn and revealuate on river? ... what do you think

Imrahil · #2 12-11-2006, 01:23 PM

Bet like $6 on the turn and fold to a raise.

AceLuby · #3 12-11-2006, 01:55 PM

Turn bet is bad IMO, I call the river BTW. Someone floating you on the flop is not unheard of, esp if you c-bet a lot or if he's loose passive. Also the minraise isn't always a queen or a FH, even though he's trying to rep it.

Sir Winalot · #4 12-11-2006, 02:10 PM

I'd check turn and call a reasonable river bet.

NL Newbie · #5 12-11-2006, 02:14 PM

i check behind on flop.

.KeviN. · #6 12-11-2006, 02:20 PM

Yea, recently I've been seeing the value in checking the turn in spots like this. If you check the turn (intending to call river) it'll probably do 1 of 2 things....1) induce a bluff.. 2)keep the pot small and you losing the least amount of $$ as possibly if he has trips-boat.

The only times I hate doing this (even though I probably should) is when I'm afraid of giving a free card, or if villian overbets the pot on the river. Chances are not alot of free cards are going to help villian in this hand anyway so it's definately a good spot to check.

dregal · #7 12-11-2006, 02:26 PM

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Def bet the flop for value...you get called by lots of hands here. I assume your Cbetting this flop when you whif as well?

I can see checking behind turn taking a WA/WB approach. If you do bet you have to make it bigger. Betting 40% of the pot accomplishes nothing here...if you're going to bet that small you might as well check behind.

As played I call the river getting over 3:1

AceLuby · #8 12-11-2006, 02:26 PM

The turn is not necessarily a good place to check, but the bet here sucks. I would probably check behind and hope to snap off a bluff on the river, but the $4 bet into a $10 pot is bad IMO after a 2/3 pot bet on the flop. I'd either bet $6-8 or just check behind.

Sir Winalot · #9 12-11-2006, 02:33 PM

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Def bet the flop for value...you get called by lots of hands here. I assume your Cbetting this flop when you whif as well?

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Checking is actually quite a good play on these flops and I've been doing it a lot lately.

reecelights · #10 12-11-2006, 02:38 PM

Villain could easily have 77-JJ and put you on AK. Min raise to me is frequently "I think you're full of crap" as much as "I have a huge hand and don't know a better way to extract." But 99 floating the flop on an apparent CBet and luckboxing the turn is not unheard of here. But if he put you on AK he thinks the 9 didn't help you.

AQ is possible too with him putting you on the mid pair after an oversized PFR (although that may be my tourney mentality speaking).