Turn decision, action pot

private joker · #1 12-09-2006, 07:25 AM

Commerce 20/40. Good game. The CO is a new player who just sat down and posted his 4 chips.

A fishy EP limps, I limp in MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO-poster checks, button limps, SB folds, BB checks.

5 to the flop. It comes down 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Checked to me, I bet. CO raises, button cold-calls, button folds, EP cold-calls, I 3-bet, CO caps it, button cold-calls 2 more, EP finally folds.

3 to the turn. Turn is a T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Hrmmmm.... Bet or check?

mikeJ · #2 12-09-2006, 09:22 AM

If you bet, CO is more than likely going to raise shutting out button. Your Ts are like never best. How is this anything but a check/call?

Messedup247 · #3 12-09-2006, 10:10 AM

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If you bet, CO is more than likely going to raise shutting out button. Your Ts are like never best. How is this anything but a check/call?

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Agreed. Although in your opinion does the button lay down a bigger flush draw than yours for two bets on the turn? If so (I am just getting back to playing...lol) then would it make sense to fire out here? If the CO flopped two pair here you have like 9-10 outs. If he flopped a set your drawing a little slimmer. I guess it's close between check/call and bet and call. Am I like way out in left field here?

ssmallz · #4 12-09-2006, 11:28 AM

Button is almost never folding a fd here b/c the pot is too big. Its 11 bb on the turn and if you bet and it gets raised button is looking @ 7:1 to call which is pretty easy considering he knows that his draw is still live as long as the board doesn't pair on the river.

It looks very likely that CO flopped 2 pair or better and we are likely behind on the turn. Eliminating button won't change much since all your outs are likely clean. I vote for check call the turn. Check call the river if you improve to 2 pair or trips. Check raise or donk the river depending on your read if you hit your flush

onegymrat · #5 12-09-2006, 12:44 PM

Bet/call. Wouldn't you kick yourself if it's checked around?

Smarty · #6 12-09-2006, 12:46 PM

Check. You're still behind.

Chris Daddy Cool · #7 12-09-2006, 12:59 PM

how old is the co? and what race is he? and does he look like an internet player?

dillip kothari · #8 12-09-2006, 01:46 PM

there is no reason to bet this, seeing as the BB will call the button's one bet, along with the fact that you are almost never ahead in this spot.

daveT · #9 12-09-2006, 02:29 PM

Are you sure that the CO is not raising with a fd? I lean toward betting against unpredictable (new is the same) opponents, it is surprising to see how many will raise like this with just TP on this board. I think you have too many outs to check and call, get that other player out.

surfdoc · #10 12-09-2006, 03:13 PM

These guys tend to be a bit passive. Therefore, you are almost always behind. You can't protect yout hand by betting if you are ahead. This one doesn't seem close.