stud hi lo situation with split kings

[Tornado69]

Is folding an option here ??? At this level people dont seem to fold to reraises if they have a 257 even ..

PokerStars Game #7359245646: HORSE (7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit, $2/$4) - 2006/12/08 - 21:14:23 (ET)
Table 'Thuban IV' 8-max
Seat 1: pokerdan97 ($71.25 in chips)
Seat 2: rubyduner ($83.75 in chips)
Seat 3: eStarGuy ($106.25 in chips)
Seat 4: d'Amphoux ($53 in chips)
Seat 5: J-Squirrel ($11.25 in chips)
Seat 7: stormyseas2 ($191.25 in chips)
Seat 8: P3AURORA ($73.50 in chips)
d'Amphoux: posts the ante $0.25
J-Squirrel: posts the ante $0.25
stormyseas2: posts the ante $0.25
P3AURORA: posts the ante $0.25
pokerdan97: posts the ante $0.25
rubyduner: posts the ante $0.25
eStarGuy: posts the ante $0.25
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to pokerdan97 [Kd Qh Kh]
Dealt to rubyduner [8h]
Dealt to eStarGuy [4h]
Dealt to d'Amphoux [Tc]
Dealt to J-Squirrel [4d]
Dealt to stormyseas2 [3d]
Dealt to P3AURORA [3c]
P3AURORA: bets $2
pokerdan97: calls $2
rubyduner: folds
eStarGuy: calls $2
d'Amphoux: folds
J-Squirrel: raises $2 to $4
stormyseas2: calls $4
P3AURORA: calls $2
pokerdan97: calls $2
eStarGuy: calls $2
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to pokerdan97 [Kd Qh Kh] [5h]
Dealt to eStarGuy [4h] [5s]
Dealt to J-Squirrel [4d] [3h]
Dealt to stormyseas2 [3d] [9c]
Dealt to P3AURORA [3c] [Jc]
pokerdan97: checks
eStarGuy: checks
J-Squirrel: bets $2
stormyseas2: calls $2
P3AURORA: calls $2
pokerdan97: calls $2
eStarGuy: calls $2
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to pokerdan97 [Kd Qh Kh 5h] [Ac]
Dealt to eStarGuy [4h 5s] [Js]
Dealt to J-Squirrel [4d 3h] [5c]
Dealt to stormyseas2 [3d 9c] [9s]
Dealt to P3AURORA [3c Jc] [2s]
stormyseas2: bets $4
P3AURORA: folds
pokerdan97: folds
eStarGuy: calls $4
J-Squirrel: raises $1 to $5 and is all-in
stormyseas2: calls $1
eStarGuy: calls $1
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to eStarGuy [4h 5s Js] [2d]
Dealt to J-Squirrel [4d 3h 5c] [Jh]
Dealt to stormyseas2 [3d 9c 9s] [6h]
stormyseas2: bets $4
eStarGuy: calls $4
*** RIVER ***
stormyseas2: bets $4
eStarGuy: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
stormyseas2: shows [6d 6c 3d 9c 9s 6h 8d] (HI: a full house, Sixes full of Nines)
eStarGuy: mucks hand
stormyseas2 collected $16 from side pot
J-Squirrel: mucks hand
stormyseas2 collected $44.75 from main pot
No low hand qualified
thinair56 has returned
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $62.75 Main pot $44.75. Side pot $16. | Rake $2
Seat 1: pokerdan97 folded on the 5th Street
Seat 2: rubyduner folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 3: eStarGuy mucked [4s 8s 4h 5s Js 2d 4c]
Seat 4: d'Amphoux folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: J-Squirrel mucked [Th Ts 4d 3h 5c Jh 7s]
Seat 7: stormyseas2 showed [6d 6c 3d 9c 9s 6h 8d] and won ($60.75) with HI: a full house, Sixes full of Nines
Seat 8: P3AURORA folded on the 5th Street

[Tornado69]

how about this one ? [censored] pairs are always sucking me in it seems ...

PokerStars Game #7359315700: HORSE (7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit, $3/$6) - 2006/12/08 - 21:18:59 (ET)
Table 'Kalchas IV' 8-max
Seat 1: K's full A's ($224 in chips)
Seat 2: flamboy ($54 in chips)
Seat 3: xx77xx ($27.25 in chips)
Seat 4: scully6942 ($93.25 in chips)
Seat 5: Mr Pinchy ($211 in chips)
Seat 6: Fenrir23 ($145.25 in chips)
Seat 7: pokerdan97 ($75 in chips)
Seat 8: J-Squirrel ($44.50 in chips)
J-Squirrel: posts the ante $0.25
K's full A's: posts the ante $0.25
flamboy: posts the ante $0.25
xx77xx: posts the ante $0.25
scully6942: posts the ante $0.25
Mr Pinchy: posts the ante $0.25
Fenrir23: posts the ante $0.25
pokerdan97: posts the ante $0.25
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to K's full A's [Kc]
Dealt to flamboy [7d]
Dealt to xx77xx [3d]
Dealt to scully6942 [3c]
Dealt to Mr Pinchy [3s]
Dealt to Fenrir23 [Jh]
Dealt to pokerdan97 [Ts Th Ah]
Dealt to J-Squirrel [5h]
scully6942: brings-in low $1
Mr Pinchy has timed out
Mr Pinchy: folds
Mr Pinchy is sitting out
Fenrir23: folds
pokerdan97: raises $2 to $3
J-Squirrel: raises $3 to $6
K's full A's: folds
flamboy: calls $6
xx77xx: calls $6
scully6942: folds
pokerdan97: calls $3
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to flamboy [7d] [7h]
Dealt to xx77xx [3d] [Ac]
Dealt to pokerdan97 [Ts Th Ah] [6c]
Dealt to J-Squirrel [5h] [8h]
flamboy: checks
xx77xx: bets $3
pokerdan97: folds
J-Squirrel: calls $3
flamboy: calls $3
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to flamboy [7d 7h] [5c]
Dealt to xx77xx [3d Ac] [8c]
Dealt to J-Squirrel [5h 8h] [9h]
flamboy: bets $6
xx77xx: calls $6
J-Squirrel: raises $6 to $12
flamboy: calls $6
xx77xx: calls $6
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to flamboy [7d 7h 5c] [6d]
Dealt to xx77xx [3d Ac 8c] [Jc]
Dealt to J-Squirrel [5h 8h 9h] [9s]
J-Squirrel: bets $6
flamboy: raises $6 to $12
xx77xx: calls $6 and is all-in
Mr Pinchy has returned
J-Squirrel: calls $6
*** RIVER ***
J-Squirrel: checks
flamboy: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
J-Squirrel: shows [As 2s 5h 8h 9h 9s 5s] (HI: two pair, Nines and Fives)
flamboy: mucks hand
J-Squirrel collected $12 from side pot
xx77xx: mucks hand
J-Squirrel collected $87 from main pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $102 Main pot $87. Side pot $12. | Rake $3
Seat 1: K's full A's folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: flamboy mucked [4h 4s 7d 7h 5c 6d Qc]
Seat 3: xx77xx mucked [Td Tc 3d Ac 8c Jc 5d]
Seat 4: scully6942 folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 5: Mr Pinchy folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Fenrir23 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: pokerdan97 folded on the 4th Street
Seat 8: J-Squirrel showed [As 2s 5h 8h 9h 9s 5s] and won ($99) with HI: two pair, Nines and Fives

[Andy B]

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HORSE - 7 Card Stud High-Low ($2/$4), Ante $0.25 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.88 SB)

Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 7: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___calls

4th Street - (10.88 SB)

Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (7.94 BB)

Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises $1 to $5 and is all-in
Seat 7: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

6th Street - (11.69 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___all-in
Seat 7: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets

River - (13.69 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___all-in
Seat 7: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (15.69 BB)

[Andy B]

HORSE - 7 Card Stud High-Low ($3/$6), Ante $0.25, Bring-In $1 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.67 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises

4th Street - (9.00 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (6.00 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises

6th Street - (12.00 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 3: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls $6 and is all-in
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets___calls

River - (17.00 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___checks
Seat 3: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___all-in
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___checks

Total pot: (17.00 BB)

[Andy B]

Third is an easy fold on this one.

[Andy B]

I'd probably fold third on this one. If you think you can get it heads-up with the bring-in by raising, do so, but if the game is that tight, I'd find something else to do with my time. There are just too many low cards behind you to bother with this one, I think.

Fourth would ordinarily be a fold when facing 54 and 43, but the pot is big enough that I think you can take one off.

By fifth, your hand has gone to hell. Definitely fold here.

[Tornado69]

k, thx ... how about the one with the concealed 10's ?

[Andy B]

Third is still an easy fold. On the first pass. Fourth too.

[getfunky]

it's clear you have a stud high mentality interfering with sound 8/b strategy. Middle pairs shouldn't be played except HU vs the bi, even with your kicker. You must be reasonably sure you have the best high hand, so when you see over cards be conservative and fold a pair of queens with a king or especially an ace yet to act. In stud high, it's ok to play medium pairs with overcard kickers because you're playing for the entire pot, and players are less likely to have the big pair they're representing in the first place. Extreme caution should be using when playing split big pairs other than aces because low hands can put a ton of pressure on you. Make sure they're totally live and are playing against as few opponents as possible.