Ugly QQ hand NL100

[jakeduke]

CO is a 22/15ish tag over a couple hundred hands. Seems solid. button is a big fish.

I felt like I was dead when the TAG called my big 3-bet. It looks like a squeeze, but I wasn't exactly getting out of line. For whatever reason, I put his range on AA/KK/and maybe JJ. AKs maybe? In any case, what's my flop play?


Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $142.40
CO: $102.15
Button: $161.40
hero: $150.60
BB: $15

Pre-flop: (5 players) hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $5</font>, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $20</font>, 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($62, 3 players)
hero ???

[Robin Foolz]

2/3 pot bet.

bad range you give co. he reraises AA-KK always here.

if COs fold on flop, you're golden. if he raises i may dump. i can only find two hands that co will raise here that you beat and that is 99 and jj.

[jakeduke]

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2/3 pot bet.

bad range you give co. he reraises AA-KK always here.

if COs fold on flop, you're golden. if he raises i may dump. i can only find two hands that co will raise here that you beat and that is 99 and jj.

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I thought CO was plenty capable of calling my 3-bet w/ AA/KK there in order to entice the fish to come along.

If CO raises a 2/3PSB there's no way I can fold, is there? He'd basically be minraising, so I'd have to call 40 more in a 180 pot.

[Robin Foolz]

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2/3 pot bet.

bad range you give co. he reraises AA-KK always here.

if COs fold on flop, you're golden. if he raises i may dump. i can only find two hands that co will raise here that you beat and that is 99 and jj.

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I thought CO was plenty capable of calling my 3-bet w/ AA/KK there in order to entice the fish to come along.

If CO raises a 2/3PSB there's no way I can fold, is there? He'd basically be minraising, so I'd have to call 40 more in a 180 pot.

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calling with AA-KK in what's gearing up to be a big multiway pot is never a good idea. if he is a solid as you say, almost never will he play AA-KK this way.

he has to be exceedingly bad to min raise such a drawy board with either AA or a set. most of the time, your flop bet will get two reactions out of co: a fold or raise big/push. in which case your decision on what to do next then becomes easy.

[rebuyboy]

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2/3 pot bet.

bad range you give co. he reraises AA-KK always here.

if COs fold on flop, you're golden. if he raises i may dump. i can only find two hands that co will raise here that you beat and that is 99 and jj.

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Why would he raise JJ and 99, but not TT?

[jakeduke]

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he has to be exceedingly bad to min raise such a drawy board with either AA or a set. most of the time, your flop bet will get two reactions out of co: a fold or raise big/push. in which case your decision on what to do next then becomes easy.

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Villain has 80 behind on the flop in a 60 pot. If I bet 40 and he pushes, it's effectively a minraise.

[cbiz]

bet/call flop

[Robin Foolz]

it's ugly, but i think we have to just push here if anyone raises. i would love to hear more opinions on this.

edit:sorry. i accidentally deleted my other post which retracted my original thoughts.

basically after i thought about this, you are at worst neutral ev verus co's range here. and with the dead money in there, this calls for basically allin here.

[bhudson]

I am never getting away from this. CR AI.

[Robin Foolz]

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I am never getting away from this. CR AI.

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having this be checked thru would be disastrous.