NL200 flopped flush.. huh?

[The Velour Fog]

villain was lose and somewhat passive. like 40ish/10. preflop he could have any two since he limped alot and always called when i raised. hero is viewed as lose and agressive and has been bullying the table for quite some time now.

his flop call didnt really say much, his turn action was confusing. would KhJx ever play it like this..? he insta bet the river

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $400.43
Button: $243.30
SB: $148
hero: $882.77

Pre-flop: (4 players) hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Button folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $10</font>, UTG calls, SB folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($22, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets $14</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($50, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets $40</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $80</font>, hero calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($210, 2 players)
hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $202</font>

[NewTeaBag]

OH SO often more a str8/set/2p than a bigger flush.

I'd more often than not try and crash more $$s in on the turn.

As played, make a turbo lightening sonic boom call here.

[epiLog]

Hmmm I would probably call. I don't think he could ever put you on a flush the way you played it. He could have 444, QT or AT? maybe A4, KJ with a heart? Even if his passive he probably makes some kind of raise preflop with AQ. If he flopped the higher flush then that's just [censored].

[Novles]

bet more on the flop. turn is fine i think, given stack sizes, but i'd prolly follow that up with a river bet. as played, instacall.

[keikiwai]

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OH SO often more a str8/set/2p than a bigger flush.

I'd more often than not try and crash more $$s in on the turn.

As played, make a turbo lightening sonic boom call here.

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did you notice how deep they are?

i'd be sweating

this very much looks like a flush, and if it, it's basically guaranteed to be bigger than hero's..... that being said.... you can't play flop or turn any different.....

and river is just a tough decision. i think logically this may be a fold, but i'd hate myself for folding and not being sure he's got the bigger flush..... i'd also hate myself for calling and getting shown the bigger flush.

[mooney]

I like 3betting the turn. A heart on the river would be a disaster, plus a loose passive player who minraises the turn to 80 probably isnt going anywhere.

As played, check raise all in on river seems right.

[keikiwai]

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I like 3betting the turn. A heart on the river would be a disaster, plus a loose passive player who minraises the turn to 80 probably isnt going anywhere.

As played, check raise all in on river seems right.

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seriously, am i super weak tight for not wanting to stick 2 buy-ins all-in here.... it just seems hands like K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] are too probable, and would play very similar.... these would call pfr and act same post... w/ poss exception of flop rr, but i could see flop smooth call too from those hands

villain is passive, this is not a bluff

turn min-rr indicates he wants a call from naked [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] etc.

river he's just trying to extract

just doesn't seem like a busted draw due to turn min-rr

[keikiwai]

i'm interested to hear the results of this one, just because you're both deep.

also, could more people please explain why this isn't a bigger flush more than 2/3s of the time?

i would say this is a bigger flush over 1/2 the time, but i don't know if it is really a bigger flush &gt; 2/3 of the time

but if i'm being a complete nit, plz explain

[monkeymaps]

I would have to call here for good or bad here. Raise on the turn is fishy to me. Thats a hell of a bet on the river if he does have the nuts having only min raised on the turn after flopping a high flush.

[NewTeaBag]

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i'm interested to hear the results of this one, just because you're both deep.

also, could more people please explain why this isn't a bigger flush more than 2/3s of the time?

i would say this is a bigger flush over 1/2 the time, but i don't know if it is really a bigger flush &gt; 2/3 of the time

but if i'm being a complete nit, plz explain

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Weak passive player limped UTG THEN called a raise.
I think these types of players are doing this with pairs far more often than suited connectors. ERGO far greater chance of set than str8/flush. If he has limped with a nonpair hand then it is far more likely to be some sort of AX (X =10-K) rater than a Kxh or Jxh.

These thought make me fully believe this looks a lot like he has 1010 with 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] OR AX with X=big [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

It all adds up to me expecting to see a biger flush far less often than 2/3 time and even much less often than 1/2 time.