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Old 12-04-2006, 03:22 AM
Lester B Lester B is offline
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Default Mitch Albom\'s latest column on the BCS

Normally Albom is pretty unbiased and his opinions are a little watered down when it comes commentary on items that affect local sports, but not this time:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...EWS99/61203012

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Well at least, after all the games, the rankings, the computers, the controversy, at least the college football world finally reached a conclusion:

The system stinks.

That’s the only conclusion we can agree upon. All else is chaos. Did Michigan get jobbed? Sure it did. There is no way, in a logical world, that a big time, second-ranked team, whose only loss is by three points to the top-ranked team, should fall behind anyone with at least one defeat in a poll. Anyone. Southern Cal. Florida. Anyone.

Instead, it happened twice in the past two weeks. First, USC beat Notre Dame, and a wave of hype, forced logic and selective memory made voters forget that USC struggled often this season and blew a game to lowly Oregon State — and instead they leapfrogged USC over Michigan for the No.2 spot. The USC Trojans are the strongest contender! Look at them!

Then, over the weekend, USC was exposed, losing to unranked UCLA, and, oops, guess the hype was wrong. So instead of restoring No.3 Michigan to where it belonged, a new wave of hype, forced logic and selective memory made voters leapfrog the Florida Gators over the Wolverines and into the national championship game next month. Hey, they’re the strongest contender! Just look at them!

You can spin this thing any way you want. It was strictly about fresh versus familiar. In the end, Ohio State will play Florida on Jan.8 in Glendale, Ariz., because people with votes want to see that game more than they want to see a rematch of Michigan-Ohio State. This was all about the line of thinking that says: “Give someone else a chance.”

But if the system were about giving everyone a chance, they wouldn’t call it a poll, they’d call it a donkey ride.

SO MUCH BABBLING

Which is not to say there hasn’t been some donkey-like behavior. Consider Urban Meyer, the braying coach of the Gators. When asked by ESPN about Michigan on Saturday night, Meyer said: “They had their shot.”

Thank you, Judge.

Meyer is not only rude, he’s confused. Nowhere in the Bowl Championship Series system is “having their shot” supposed to determine anything. The system is supposed to rank teams, not manipulate them. It’s supposed to set up a national championship game, not cast it.

Ask yourself this question: If we were in the fifth week of the season, and Michigan and Ohio State had played their game and were idle — do you think Florida would have jumped up two spots to wedge between them by beating eighth-ranked Arkansas?

I don’t.

The truth is, Meyer is wrong. Michigan didn’t have its shot. Not at a national championship game — which is all the BCS is supposed to determine. And now it won’t get its shot. Why? Because Florida is somehow a superior choice since it doesn’t play in the same conference as Ohio State?

Meyer acts as if the SEC is Broadway and all the other conferences are summer stock. He talks as if you have to survive germ-warfare to win an SEC game (conveniently excusing his close scores against some lesser teams) while suggesting that other conference champs should be blowing out their opponents.
Hey, if Ohio State is as great as everyone says it is, and most of its victories are against the same Big Ten teams Michigan faces, why does it work FOR the Buckeyes and against the Wolverines?

That’s fair?

“Florida belongs,” Meyer told reporters Saturday night. “The other team had a shot. We went 12-1, and I think the country wants to see the Southeastern Conference champion against the Big Ten champion.”

Well, it’s nice to have Lord Meyer tell us what we want to see. Apparently “the country,” in his view, doesn’t include huge parts of the Midwest. His first name may be Urban, but it should be Parochial.

Yes, people can say the same thing about Michigan fans. And in Florida they probably are. But the one thing Gators fans will never be able to argue is that they were EVER No. 2 this season before Sunday night.

Michigan can say that. Michigan, having not touched a football in two weeks, has to wonder why it was dropped — while Florida was vaulted. Michigan has to wonder how losing on the road to the only team ranked ahead of it — and losing by three points — is somehow less worthy than Florida losing by 10 points to Auburn, a team not even in the final Top 10.

PLAYOFF SYSTEM NEEDED

And with that, another rankings mess mars a college football season. Michigan’s Lloyd Carr, who was far more graceful than Meyer, optimistically called it, on his TV show, “a great controversy.”

But controversies are rarely great. And college kids are supposed to study math, not be victimized by it. Yes, the Wolverines will go to a Rose Bowl and there is nothing bad about that. But there is a reason why sports that determine things by voting — figure skating, gymnastics — continually result in anger, bitterness and missed chances.

And it is why this system remains a joke, while the obvious solution keeps getting ignored.

I’ll say it again. Add two games. Both on the same day. A four-team playoff. You take the Nos. 1-4 ranked teams and let them prove who belongs on the field for the championship.

Under that system, this year, Michigan would play Florida. And Meyer actually would have to coach his team past Carr’s, instead of trying to do it with his mouth.

Such a playoff would only affect four schools each year. It could be done using two existing bowls. As for when do you schedule it? Well, considering the national championship this year is more than seven weeks after Ohio State’s last on-field appearance… I’m guessing they can find some time.

But don’t hold your breath. It won’t happen — at least not soon. Instead, exhale that sigh that has been sighed for so many years in so many places since rankings were used in lieu of actual on-field battles. It was a popularity contest, in the end, what people wanted to see. And the new, exciting orange beat the same old maize and blue.

And if you’re wondering what that has to do with football, you are not alone.

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Old 12-04-2006, 03:27 AM
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Default BCS Gets it Right



Ohio State v Florida
woohoo...cannot wait
we have a meeting of the best team in the country (near unanimous....lol @ Jim Walden) verse the #2 team

While Florida might not be favored on a nuetral field against every other team, it did put together the most impressive resume by:
-going 12-1
-winning the SEC, which is traditionally the best conference in the country and arguably the best this year
-going 9-1 v bowl elgible teams
-having the 3rd most impressive win of any team (beating LSU) which is behind Auburn over Florida and Ohio State over Michigan only
-having 3 wins over the BCS top25 (one on the road and one on a nuetral field), which is more than any other team except Ohio State (who also had 3)
-getting better throughout the year (Percy Harvin anyone)

Florida 'did it on the field' as they always say and survived the longest, most grueling playoff race in sports.
LSU, Michigan, etc may be better, but Florida showed it on the field.


For those that want flippaments to decide a national title and start numerous teams on the same playing level despite what they did during the season

Here is your top 8 BCS teams:
1. Ohio State

2. Florida

3. Michigan

4. LSU

5. USC

6. Louisville

7. Wisconsin

8. Boise State


the only difference with any human polls is the seeding and Oklahoma replacing Boise State

lol @ a tourney




Once again, college football will end up with a great champ

just a refresher on the national champs in college since the BCS

1998 13-0 Tennessee
1999 12-0 Florida State
2000 13-0 Oklahoma
2001 12-0 Miami
2002 14-0 Ohio State
2003 13-1 LSU
2004 13-0 USC
2005 13-0 Texas


wow...that's a great list--looks like college football does a pretty damn good job at getting a national champ
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Old 12-04-2006, 03:36 AM
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Default Re: Mitch Albom\'s latest column on the BCS

He seems like another one who saw that great see-saw battle of the big-10 that no one but Michigan fans seemed to see.

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The truth is, Meyer is wrong. Michigan didn’t have its shot. Not at a national championship game

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So he didn't think the OSU/Mich game had NC implications? Was he in a coma that week and missed it?

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It was a popularity contest, in the end, what people wanted to see.

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Might be more credible if he included ND in this part of the rant.

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Old 12-04-2006, 03:38 AM
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Default Re: BCS Gets it Right

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Florida 'did it on the field' as they always say and survived the longest, most grueling playoff race in sports.
LSU, Michigan, etc may be better, but Florida showed it on the field.

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I am sorry my friend, but this is the flaw in your argument. You are stating that a team doesn't have to be better than another to be ranked ahead of them. They just have to appear to have accomplished more and as a result deserve it more.

To solve this, a simple hypothetical question should be asked when ranking opponents:

If the two teams played a game at full strength on a neutral field, who would be most likely to win?
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Old 12-04-2006, 03:45 AM
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Might be more credible if he included ND in this part of the rant.

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I don't follow. What does ND have to do with anything?
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Old 12-04-2006, 03:47 AM
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wtf did Urban do that was considered so bad?
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Old 12-04-2006, 03:49 AM
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wtf did Urban do that was considered so bad?

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Some people seem to be upset with him saying about Michigan that, "They had their shot". A minor faux pas, really, imo.
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Old 12-04-2006, 03:50 AM
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Might be more credible if he included ND in this part of the rant.

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I don't follow. What does ND have to do with anything?

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Did you miss the part I quoted that I was responding to?

Here from the article:
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It was a popularity contest, in the end, what people wanted to see.



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Which leads to ND. If he wants to bitch about it(BCS) being a popularity contest, ND should obviously get a mention. It shows you're arguing about the system and not just for your team. But, as usual, you only see these types of articles when it's 'their' teams supposedly getting screwed.

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Old 12-04-2006, 03:50 AM
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Default Re: Mitch Albom\'s latest column on the BCS

I don't have a dog in this fight so to speak, and I normally think Mitch Albom is a blow-hard, but he raises a couple of good points that we already knew about the timing of losses and about how big of a douche Urban Meyer is.
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Old 12-04-2006, 03:52 AM
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wtf did Urban do that was considered so bad?

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Some people seem to be upset with him saying about Michigan that, "They had their shot". A minor faux pas, really, imo.

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Didn't Urban bitch about a playoff system while at Utah, but then when asked to speak at a hearing this year, and his Fla team now having a shot at the NC, he's clammed up?

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