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Old 12-04-2006, 02:14 AM
jaustin jaustin is offline
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Default Bottom set facing turn C/R (100nl 6m)

Converter's messed up, sorry....

No specific reads, but villain is 25/13/3 over 250 hands

Hero has $190, villain covers

.5-1 NL 6 max, FTP

Hero PFR UTG w/ 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], MP calls, two folds, villain (BB) calls

Flop J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Pot: $11
Villain checks, hero bets 9, mp folds, villain calls

Turn 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Pot: $29
Villain checks, hero bets 22, villain raises to 55, hero.......??????

What's my play? Get it all-in vs. a draw, oddly played AA/KK, two pair etc? or should I slow down since we're 200 BBs deep?
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Old 12-04-2006, 02:20 AM
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Default Re: Bottom set facing turn C/R (100nl 6m)

We need villain to have JJ/99 here to be behind. Even then I think sometimes he c/r'es the flop or doesn't go for a turn c/r which is risky because it could get checked behind. Looks lik a T8s/QTs combo draw, maybe 99, maybe strangely played AA.

Not sure if I push or just call and call the river. Pushing charges draws that are no priced in if we push but we also get called by 99/JJ and might fold out some hands we want betting the river like AA/j9.

I think I'd prob just call and call the river, but that probably leaves money on the table so a push is best play.
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Old 12-04-2006, 02:26 AM
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Default Re: Bottom set facing turn C/R (100nl 6m)

puuuuuuuuuuuuuuush

why is this a question?
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Old 12-04-2006, 02:32 AM
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Default Re: Bottom set facing turn C/R (100nl 6m)

The only hands that we are afraid here are: 55, 99-JJ.
All of them are unlikely: villain wouldnt call flop with 55 and would raise 99 and JJ preflop according to his raising standarts.
The most likely hands of villain: two pair, flush/straight draw and less.
The pot is big, so protecting it is more important than collecting additional money.
The only way here to protect the pot against flush and straight draws or may be two pair is to go all-in.
So, I whould shove.

P.S. Generally calling from UTG with pairs is a bad idea: fold or raise.
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Old 12-04-2006, 02:36 AM
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Default Re: Bottom set facing turn C/R (100nl 6m)

i think we are getting raised onb the flop here with a higher set easy call here, villian could just have air here.
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Old 12-04-2006, 02:41 AM
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Default Re: Bottom set facing turn C/R (100nl 6m)

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i think we are getting raised onb the flop here with a higher set easy call here, villian could just have air here.

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If I was villain I wouldnt raise with set on this board: the flop is safe, and slowplaying has much better EV.
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Old 12-04-2006, 03:53 AM
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Default Re: Bottom set facing turn C/R (100nl 6m)

Raise PF.

Call. Get all the money in on the river.

Give him a chance to bluff. Draws aren't very likely, and if he has a big hand, it all goes in, anyway.
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Old 12-04-2006, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: Bottom set facing turn C/R (100nl 6m)

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Raise PF.

Call. Get all the money in on the river.

Give him a chance to bluff. Draws aren't very likely, and if he has a big hand, it all goes in, anyway.

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Sorry if I didn't make this clear, I did raise PF, but didn't specify the amount. It was to $3.50.
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Old 12-04-2006, 11:41 AM
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Default Re: Bottom set facing turn C/R (100nl 6m)

I'm all in. I'd be very surprised if he had a set here.
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