At what stack sizes do you 4 bet AQo for value?

west_eh · #1 12-01-2006, 07:20 PM

Button is a good tag, very capable of 3 betting light.

6 handed

Hero is UTG with AQo.

Hero raises to 4bb, 2 folds, Button raises to 12bb, 2 folds, Hero pushes.

What are the maximum effective stacks where you would push here for value?

Big_Jim · #2 12-01-2006, 08:02 PM

Since you're never getting called by a worse hand, it's hard to know what you mean by "push for value"

west_eh · #3 12-01-2006, 08:07 PM

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Since you're never getting called by a worse hand, it's hard to know what you mean by "push for value"

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As opposed to 4 betting as a bluff for metagame purposes. When do we 4 bet because we are committed to the pot vs. a tag's range?

JiffyPop100 · #4 12-01-2006, 08:09 PM

You could get called by a worse hand if you only had 13BBs, right?

KRANTZ · #5 12-01-2006, 08:13 PM

why are you 4-betting all-in??

Surf · #6 12-01-2006, 08:15 PM

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why are you 4-betting all-in??

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Kilillan · #7 12-01-2006, 08:18 PM

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why are you 4-betting all-in??

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standard?

west_eh · #8 12-01-2006, 08:21 PM

Say if villian had 100bb, a 4 bet would be motivated by fold equity.

But if villian only has 20bb total, we're probably just going to stick it in.

What's the biggest stack where we are going to 'just stick it in'?

(ignore the fact that a good tag is unlikely to have such a small stack)

CamelZoo · #9 12-01-2006, 08:42 PM

i have and probably never will push AQo pf for value, bc i only sit in games where i feel i have a significant edge and don't need to make desperation moves.

but, for 100 BB's you can easy push AQo against full stacks if the action is something like you pot utg call call (maybe a 3rd call too) and bb 3bets pot with a wide range, and you push. but otherwise, why not find better spots?

in the scenario you described i would never ever push "for value" or for any other reason

Kilillan · #10 12-01-2006, 08:45 PM

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i have and probably never will push AQo pf for value, bc i only sit in games where i feel i have a significant edge and don't need to make desperation moves.

but, for 100 BB's you can easy push AQo against full stacks if the action is something like you pot utg call call (maybe a 3rd call too) and bb 3bets pot with a wide range, and you push. but otherwise, why not find better spots?

in the scenario you described i would never ever push "for value" or for any other reason

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I pushed AQo for value against 100bb 3-bet

like twice today

It felt right at the time