Playing Against a Reraiser

Habib Marwan · #1 11-30-2006, 07:28 PM

Villain is lag and uses position well

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $373.80
Hero: $438.10
SB: $256.70
BB: $337.05

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $12, Hero calls, SB calls, BB raises to $32, UTG folds, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($108, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $74, Hero raises to $328,

zizazziza · #2 11-30-2006, 07:36 PM

umm .. is this plo8? villian is OOP and i dont find a problem with calling this raise (marginal). The only thing that I would like to know is if he is able to get away from QQ- AA here. Either way its not terrible. But you are looking for a Q, 7, maybe a T is good but you dont know if he has QQK or something like that.

Habib Marwan · #3 11-30-2006, 07:48 PM

plo8, i believe minimally competent players can fold overpairs

zizazziza · #4 11-30-2006, 07:52 PM

i think r/r is fine if u can narrow SB's hand range down. but i wouldnt hate calling either and getting it AI on turn

I dunno · #5 12-01-2006, 02:05 AM

So are you putting him on AA a lot here? Yeah I could see this being proffitable if he can lay it down.

bbartlog · #6 12-01-2006, 10:45 AM

but i wouldnt hate calling either and getting it AI on turn

Calling here rather than raising is a very bad idea. If villain has AAxx, we want to maximize our fold equity, since we're only about even for the high (12 outs to beat AA) and have no backdoor low. *And* if we're going to play this hand at all we should try to get it all in on the flop in any case, so that we're guaranteed to see two cards. Twelve outs in particular means that if the turn is bad for us (any low card other than [8]) then we wouldn't have odds to call a pot-sized turn bet from villain, so we'd be setting ourselves up to possibly get forced out of the hand. Raise is better than fold, but both are better than just calling here.

I dunno · #7 12-01-2006, 11:00 AM

Agreed, calling just encourages him to bet out again on the turn when a blank falls.

zizazziza · #8 12-01-2006, 11:19 AM

this is the thing. im not necessarily puttin him on AA. I'm just saying that its a legitamite hand to have. You need to remember this is 4-handed. So for all you know he could have A234. Look @ the pf action. Its raise to 12 (12), call (24), call (36), and then bb with what would be (48) in the pot, instead of raising to $60, he raises to $32. THats a half-pot r/r which screams that he wants callers. So what im saying is that I usually wont cal there. But he is pretty much pot-committed if he has AA unless he think you have a straight or set. Also, If you just call you hav position on him on the turn as well and you can see what he does.

bbartlog · #9 12-01-2006, 11:51 AM

for all you know he could have A234

All the more reason to get him off his hand rather than let him try to draw another low card, if low is what he has.

As for him being pot-committed, I'm not sure I agree, but in this case letting him draw a card and seeing what he does on the turn is not such a good idea. As I pointed out, if a low card falls and we think he has AA, we will have to fold to a pot-sized turn bet (unless it's a spade or an eight).