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Old 11-23-2006, 01:02 PM
yukoncpa yukoncpa is offline
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Default Spewing with ace on board?

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This is a 5 handed, 3-6 Absolute game. Villain is 42/20/2.5 after 50 hands, but no further reads.
I open raise in C/O with KJ o, villain calls on button, blinds fold, heads up.

Flop is: AJ7 rainbow
I bet, villain calls

Turn is 4
I check, villain bets, I call

River is 2 ( no flush possible)
I check, villain bets, I call

Did I give him too much action? How should I have played differently?
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Old 11-23-2006, 01:41 PM
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Default Re: Spewing with ace on board?

1. Check flop. Fold to bet.
2. Chech turn. Fold to bet.
3. Bet turn, 3-bet if raised.
4. Bet turn, fold if raised.
5. Bet turn. Bet river.
6. Bet turn. Check-fold river.
7. Bet turn. Check-call river.
...and so on.

Pust. So many possibilities.
But no 1 is not a bad choice.
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Old 11-23-2006, 02:16 PM
ILOVEPOKER929 ILOVEPOKER929 is offline
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Default Re: Spewing with ace on board?

You played this hand perfectly IMO, theres not much else you can do vs this type of player, just get to the showdown cheaply and thats what you did. I wouldve played your hand the exact same way every street.
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Old 11-23-2006, 02:17 PM
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Default Re: Spewing with ace on board?

Why did you c/c the turn instead of betting again? Are you worried that if he raises you will fold a better hand?
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Old 11-23-2006, 02:42 PM
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Default Re: Spewing with ace on board?

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Why did you c/c the turn instead of betting again? Are you worried that if he raises you will fold a better hand?

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I would check/call the turn here cuz I just dont trust a person with those stats, and I believe these type of players will bet the turn with hands they intended to fold like a gutshot draw, and lastly when the villain has an ace I get to retain the full equity of my draw instead of bet/folding a 5 outer. The river play is closer, but again I would check/call cuz this type of player is probably aggressive enough to value bet a worse hand and bluff with a missed draw. The only excuse these players need to bet is to see someone else check.
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Old 11-23-2006, 02:43 PM
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Why did you c/c the turn instead of betting again? Are you worried that if he raises you will fold a better hand?



[/ QUOTE ] Had I bet the turn and been raised, I would have confidently thrown my hand away, but I would have denied myself the chance to catch up on the river and denied my opponent the chance to bluff off his chips with a nothing hand.
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Old 11-23-2006, 02:48 PM
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Default Re: Spewing with ace on board?

I really like how you played this.
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Old 11-23-2006, 02:53 PM
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Default Re: Spewing with ace on board?

checking the turn also lets villain play correctly, taking a free card when drawing, checking with a worse hand, etc. I'd much rather bet & get raised and decide what to do than offer villain the chance to play good by my poor play.
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Old 11-23-2006, 03:08 PM
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checking the turn also lets villain play correctly, taking a free card when drawing, checking with a worse hand, etc. I'd much rather bet & get raised and decide what to do than offer villain the chance to play good by my poor play.



[/ QUOTE ] If villain plays correctly by taking a free card when he has the worse hand and charging me when he has the best hand, then my play was clearly incorrect. My assumption is that typical villain will seize on a chance to bluff, thus charging himself to play.
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Old 11-23-2006, 03:24 PM
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Default Re: Spewing with ace on board?

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checking the turn also lets villain play correctly, taking a free card when drawing, checking with a worse hand, etc. I'd much rather bet & get raised and decide what to do than offer villain the chance to play good by my poor play.

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It allows him to play correctly, but it also allows him to play incorrectly. (betting a gutshot)

It depends how much credit we give villain and how he percieves us.
If certain people checked this turn, id check behind with a gutshot. If other people checked this turn, id bet with a gutshot.

A lot of tricky play syndrome players use this turn to screwplay. Also a lot of players go into "check-call mode" when they check the turn.

Someone with these stats I think wouldn't perceive your play correclty and by checking , he will most likely make the mistake of betting. If we bet, he may have folded correctly.

I like the posters line.
I think I dont check/call turns enough.
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