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Old 11-22-2006, 04:31 PM
SomethingClever SomethingClever is offline
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Default Standard fold w/o read?

No read at all. Foldtown? Also, don't tell me to raise pf. I like overlimping JTs.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $147
Hero: $195
CO: $22.75
Button: $249.55
SB: $198
BB: $196

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($8, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $8</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $35</font>, SB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($86, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG is all-in $110</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $110 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $86
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Old 11-22-2006, 04:34 PM
FilthyLarry FilthyLarry is offline
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Default Re: Standard fold w/o read?

with no reads i call that. looks like a donk play to me, pick him off
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Old 11-22-2006, 04:38 PM
Al_Money Al_Money is offline
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Default Re: Standard fold w/o read?

Call. Do people really open shove when they hit their money card? I mean, maybe, but not likely.

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I like overlimping JTs.

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Why?
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Old 11-22-2006, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: Standard fold w/o read?

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with no reads i call that. looks like a donk play to me, pick him off

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I don't understand your reasoning here. If villain is the type of guy who bluffs at a flushy board, then a call can be considered. But from an unknown I don't think you can call this.

If he had two pair he would have been more likely to push the flop.
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Old 11-22-2006, 04:47 PM
bilbo-san bilbo-san is offline
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Default Re: Standard fold w/o read?

Raise preflop.

There are reasons for overlimping this hand, but "I like doing it" isn't a very sound one [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

As played, all you beat is A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Qx. With a read, I might call.
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Old 11-22-2006, 04:55 PM
FilthyLarry FilthyLarry is offline
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Default Re: Standard fold w/o read?

oh, i misread action. i though UTG bet out on the flop, i didnt see that he called bet, then called raise. with that i would say fold, really looks like he has flush.

but if UTG was the one who bet out $8 on the flop would people's answers change? or am i just a fish...?
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Old 11-22-2006, 05:19 PM
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Default Re: Standard fold w/o read?

I think you should call. Villains at this level aren't often thinking deep enough to push a flush here because it's suspicious in order to induce a call. I think villain will show up here often enough with a badly slowplayed set and would have c'red all in on blank turn. The heart scared the [censored] out of him and now he just wants to push to prevent the one card flush draws from hitting on him.

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