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Old 11-22-2006, 01:50 AM
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Villain is a 28/20 TAG player, and seems to play alright.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (8.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero...
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Old 11-22-2006, 01:54 AM
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I'd check and let him bluff.
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Old 11-22-2006, 02:04 AM
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check calling seems like the worst option. why would he bet an underpair here? if you check and he bets i guess you can hope for a split with KJ or KTs. otherwise you're losing.
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Old 11-22-2006, 02:10 AM
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Yeah I spaced out pf and thought villain's range had a lot of draws in it. I'd b/f. It's pretty close to a c/f, but the pot is just too big IMO.
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Old 11-22-2006, 02:51 AM
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Value town.
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Old 11-22-2006, 03:33 AM
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Is he really calling with any worse hands?
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Old 11-22-2006, 03:37 AM
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Is he really calling with any worse hands?

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If he got here with a pp, he's probably calling. A lot of TAG's even at higher levels can't make themselves fold once they go into calldown mode.
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Old 11-22-2006, 04:04 AM
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b/f
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Old 11-22-2006, 02:02 PM
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b/f &gt; b/c &gt; c/f &gt; c/c
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Old 11-22-2006, 02:11 PM
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What A hands other than Ah(Qh - 9h), should villain have? What non A hands should villain have? Is he ever going to bet his worse hands? Is he ever not going to bet his better hands?

If he's a good TAG, which I tend to give 28/20s a lil more credit, he knows that when u check, betting his 88-QQ is retarded. So he'll play the river perfectly. If u do check, i think that folding might be the better option. He will call one more bet on the end b/c the river card only helps a small percentage of ur hands. His pocket pair will beat a bluff/ lower pocket pair/ 89 type hand still and it's too big to fold.

I think deciding between b/c and b/f could be tough depending on the player. Against me, I would b/c, but it can be tricky.

Summary, i think checking is always bad, but i can't decide between calling and folding if raised.
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