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This was a hand that Ansky played during his $500+$30 Million Guaranteed FT finish on Stars (back on October 29th). It caught my eye because, plain and simple, I just don't think I would have thought to play the hand this way. That said, I think I really love how Ansky played it, though it is certainly debateable what the most profitable line here would be.
I think we'll need Ansky to chime in with some reads to really spice the conversation up, but this hand deserves some attention regardless. I know I am guilty of it, but I think a lot of times when we show strength PF, we often take a post-flop line that we feel inclined to take, even if it isn't the best line. Questions for Consideration 1. What range can you put CO in after he calls/calls PF? 2. How does having MP1 all-in affect our PF decision? How about our plan for the flop? 3. Why check the flop? How do alternative lines compare? 4. Why smooth call the turn underbet? How do alternative lines compare? 5. Why push the river? How do alternative lines compare? 6. Assuming Ansky has his usual LAG image, combined with CO's loose-passive PF play, is there a better line for Ansky to take? Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t200/t400 9 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: t19200 UTG+1: t12440 MP1: t1220 MP2: t17640 MP3: t22610 CO: t44350 Hero: t20720 SB: t7200 BB: t3860 Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises all-in t1220</font>, MP2 calls t1220, MP3 folds, CO calls t1220, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t8000</font>, 3 folds, CO calls t6780. Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t19040, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: t5480, Sidepot 1: t13560) CO checks, Hero checks. Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t19040, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: t5480, Sidepot 1: t13560) <font color="#cc0000">CO bets t2400</font>, Hero calls t2400. River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t23840, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: t5480, Sidepot 1: t18360) CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in t10320</font> |
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PF - looks like Ansky's trying to buy a pot with a tond of dead money in there and his range should be pretty wide. CO's range is probably 66-TT, KQs+, KQo+, ATs, AJs, AJo, AQo. Check on the flop is good as the bet on this flop makes CO's range fold. Turn underbet is consistent with CO's range and Ansky is representing somewhat the same range. Turn shove is fine, it's only 1/2 he pot, he's going to get looked up pretty often and will get paid pretty much always.
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His preflop raise was a go-and-go (His stack = the side pot after his initial bet), but he flopped huge so he checked. Then he picked up the nut flush draw in addition to his already huge hand so he check/called the turn hoping his opponent would catch something. He pushed the river for value.
Seems like a good line, but I watched about 25 minutes of the video Ansky posted on PXF of himself lagging up a 109 rebuy and I saw lots of hands that intrigued me more than this one. |
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Yeah, this looks standard, and if I'm villain I'm calling this pretty much never (unless I hit a set). I mean we have an overbet PF raiser who is in position, who then doesn't c-bet an AKx flop. Red flags go off like crazy when an opponent does this to me. This is either a set, 2 pr, or an underpair about 80% of the time.
If I lead out on the turn and get smooth called you can bet it isn't an underpair and I'm only paying the river if it's a very small bet. End random thoughts, I don't mind the play against a specific villain, but we are telling the story of a monster when we actually have a monster. It would be more ballsy/interesting if Ansky would of had queens. |
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This is either a set, 2 pr, or an underpair about 80% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] no |
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Sorry for asking, but does Hero have a plan for the times when he misses the flop, or are we very sure that CO won't call? (Which might be very reasonable with regard to previous action..)
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[ QUOTE ] This is either a set, 2 pr, or an underpair about 80% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] no [/ QUOTE ] Maybe not at this buy in, but at the ones I play it definitely is. I mean this would be a go & go if you had only hit TPTK, right? Are you ever checking here unless you hit 2 pr or better? |
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1. What range can you put CO in after he calls/calls PF?
AJ+, 88+, KQs? 2. How does having MP1 all-in affect our PF decision? How about our plan for the flop? The raise could imply to CO that we want to go HU against MP1. I wouldn't have a plan for the flop. 3. Why check the flop? How do alternative lines compare? The only thing a raise could do is to drive CO out of the pot. No mather the size of the bet. 4. Why smooth call the turn underbet? How do alternative lines compare? Same as 3, I would assume that CO want to test our hand and see what happens. He could have a set though. 5. Why push the river? How do alternative lines compare? It could be taken for a bluff, I would however prefer getting called at this point so a raise of ~5000 would be more appropriate. Our hand will be shown no matter what since we have the MP1. 6. Assuming Ansky has his usual LAG image, combined with CO's loose-passive PF play, is there a better line for Ansky to take? No idea! |
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PF is standard. CO has two chances to raise PF and flat calls both times so I think his range excludes AA, KK, QQ, AK and probably AQ aswell (these hands reraise Ansky's raise IMO). So that leaves mid pairs up to JJ and weaker aces (AJ, A10), maybe J10s, KQ although my first instinct would be mid pair.
So we flop a monster. We are not worried about either holding 22 and need to maximise value against CO's range. Betting folds out his mid pairs and possibly even some of his Ax hands, KQ can fold too. Checking induces them to bet on the turn for value/find out if their A/mid pair/K is ahead. Our only option for raising on this street is all in which will fold out a large part of his range. Let him draw to his one/two outer (for pairs) or second pair. River bet size is standard given size of pot and we are almost certainly ahead. (IMO he bets his trip 8s if he got that lucky and im calling anyway) Seems like Ansky did a good job of maximising his value against Villain's range IMO. Nh. |
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Why check the flop? How do alternative lines compare?
We aren't getting better hands to fold (set) and we're folding out any worse hands. May get called light w/ something like AQ or AJ, but you would have to have some history w/ the player. |
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