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Old 11-20-2006, 06:48 PM
Guy McSucker Guy McSucker is offline
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Default KK wtfigo?

What on earth is going on here? Table is tight and weak and largely passive.

UTG open-raises. HJ folds, CO three-bets, button folds, SB caps. I have KK in the BB and call (!). Four to the flop for four bets each.

Flop: 9 6 3, two clubs. SB bets, I raise, UTG three-bets, CO caps.

Am I supposed to muck here? Keep the gas on on the turn? Call down?

Guy.
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Old 11-20-2006, 08:04 PM
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My plan would have been to just call the flop. Your hand is totally hidden, nobody's going anywhere and I'm 100% that it's getting raised behind me.

BTW. Do you have a club?
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Old 11-21-2006, 12:32 AM
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Default Re: KK wtfigo?

Hang on, let me get my flame-retardant suit on.

OK, ready now.

This is pretty close to a fold preflop given your description but I would probably call and hate myself. For the same reasons I think you should probably just call the flop and fold when it comes back two or three more bets to you. The way you played it I think this is a very clear fold.
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Old 11-21-2006, 12:53 AM
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Hang on, let me get my flame-retardant suit on.

OK, ready now.

This is pretty close to a fold preflop

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I'd put two suits on.
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Old 11-21-2006, 02:39 AM
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This is pretty close to a fold preflop

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yeah right. it's way more likely you have everyone else reverse dominated than you're up against exactly AA. WTF?
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Old 11-21-2006, 02:54 AM
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This is pretty close to a fold preflop given your description but I would probably call and hate myself. For the same reasons I think you should probably just call the flop and fold when it comes back two or three more bets to you. The way you played it I think this is a very clear fold.

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thats the worst advice I've ever seen you give.
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:42 AM
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Default Re: KK wtfigo?

It is entirely possible I've lost my mind. I did say I would call, but my thinking was that the table is "tight and weak and largely passive" and small blind just cold capped it. When 3 guys at a table like that get proud of their hands preflop, I'm not sure folding any holding except for AA would be tragic. I would fold AK and JJ preflop for certain. Is that crazy too? Where should I draw the line?

I stand by my recommendation on the flop play.
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:44 AM
Guy McSucker Guy McSucker is offline
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Do you have a club?


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No. Sorry for the omission.

Guy.
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Old 11-21-2006, 07:24 AM
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cartman, we are getting pretty good odds pf.
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Old 11-21-2006, 08:05 AM
The Funky Llama The Funky Llama is offline
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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 17.5704 % 16.57% 01.00% { 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 21.8277 % 20.26% 01.57% { JJ+, AQs+, AKo }
Hand 3: 26.3387 % 24.02% 02.32% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 4: 34.2632 % 32.77% 01.50% { KK }

These are very tight ranges even for tight/weak players and its still a very easy call getting a likely 13:3. I couldn't imagine folding KK in a 6max game.
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