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Old 11-16-2006, 05:34 PM
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Default JJ WA/WB vs Maniac

Villain is a maniac. 56/31/2.5. These stats are from 6 handed play, but this hand is only 4 handed.

These are the notes I have one him:
donk flop, bluff
raise flop, BP 3 way
no continuation bet, set
limp reraise 76s

I go into WA/WB on the flop, and figure I can raise the river if things still look good then. The Ace really hurts and I wonder If I should have folded the river. I'm only really ahead of 22-44, 66-77, 99-TT. Behind Ax, Kx, 88, 55, 44, all of which are in his range.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
4 players
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Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, BB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9.5SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 9.75BB
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: JJ WA/WB vs Maniac

The only decision is the river and I think you can comfortably work out on your own if you're ahead here 1:9.
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:54 PM
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Default Re: JJ WA/WB vs Maniac

The only place I might fold here is river, the rest looks fine.
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Old 11-16-2006, 06:01 PM
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Default Re: JJ WA/WB vs Maniac

Based on your notes, I think that your idea that

"I'm only really ahead of 22-44, 66-77, 99-TT."

is way off. I say he could have flush draw, str draw, a pair, QJ2, JTo, I could go on ...
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Old 11-16-2006, 06:06 PM
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Default Re: JJ WA/WB vs Maniac

Raise the river if a blank hits?
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Old 11-16-2006, 06:22 PM
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Default Re: JJ WA/WB vs Maniac

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Raise the river if a blank hits?

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I wouldn't. It's too hard to tell if you're ahead and even harder to tell what a blank is. A board pairing might make it an option.
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Old 11-17-2006, 04:24 PM
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Default Re: JJ WA/WB vs Maniac

It sounds like this might be one of those guys you always call down if you have any hand.
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Old 11-17-2006, 04:54 PM
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Default Re: JJ WA/WB vs Maniac

Against a 70/50 type of maniac, I would raise the flop for sure, and call down his likely 3-bet. Against this guy, calling down no matter what is the play. On the river, there are way more stupid hands in his range than you are giving him credit for imo. Very easy call.
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Old 11-17-2006, 06:28 PM
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Default Re: JJ WA/WB vs Maniac

The reason I don't raise thr flop is because I want him to keep betting into me when behind instead of likely folding the turn UI (-1.5BB) or just calling down (-0.5BB).
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Old 11-17-2006, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: JJ WA/WB vs Maniac

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I would raise the flop for sure, and call down his likely 3-bet.

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I think that is a very bad plan.

I would just call the flop and turn, and then decide if I'm good enough of the time to justify a call.
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