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Old 11-16-2006, 04:15 AM
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Default trying to make me fold or get it in?

~10 hands in, haven't played with villain before.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.55
UTG+1: $49.25
CO: $25.70
Hero: $48.40
SB: $68
BB: $99.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $3.5</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($7.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $10</font>

What's he doing this with? People who minraise preflop aren't usually planning on jamming the crap out of the flop....
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Old 11-16-2006, 04:17 AM
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Default Re: trying to make me fold or get it in?

it doesnt matter. im not going to make a stand with bottom pair and a gutter against an unknown who has RR PF

pick a better spot
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Old 11-16-2006, 04:23 AM
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Default Re: trying to make me fold or get it in?

Fold. if you are planning to take a stand you need a hand.
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Old 11-16-2006, 04:40 AM
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Whatever he does here, fold!
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Old 11-16-2006, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: trying to make me fold or get it in?

none of you answered my question
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Old 11-16-2006, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: trying to make me fold or get it in?

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I think they're saying it doesn't matter since your hand is so weak. You don't have enough of a history with the player to know what he could have.
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:05 PM
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Default Re: trying to make me fold or get it in?

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I think they're saying it doesn't matter since your hand is so weak. You don't have enough of a history with the player to know what he could have.

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..ok so pretend my hand is Q9.
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: trying to make me fold or get it in?

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none of you answered my question

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I think they're saying it doesn't matter since your hand is so weak. You don't have enough of a history with the player to know what he could have.

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..ok so pretend my hand is Q9.

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intuitively i'd say you are now ahead enough to shove, but you can easily figure this out yourself by giving villain a range and pokerstoving it
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: trying to make me fold or get it in?

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none of you answered my question

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I think they're saying it doesn't matter since your hand is so weak. You don't have enough of a history with the player to know what he could have.

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..ok so pretend my hand is Q9.

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intuitively i'd say you are now ahead enough to shove, but you can easily figure this out yourself by giving villain a range and pokerstoving it

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This is exactly my problem. I'm not sure what villain would minraise me with and then bet more than the pot on the flop with. I feel like the minraise preflop is a big pair or AQ/AK. But I'm not sure, some players will 3-bet loosely since my stats are 27/22 or so and I 3-bet a lot myself (although not for the min).
The question is, what would bet out that hard?
At first I thought that the bet was a weak hand, because someone who's trying to sucker me in preflop with a minraise usually doesn't jam it out there when the flop comes. However, I thought some more and a set is very possible. I have a super aggro image, so maybe villain doesn't want to get tangled up with a set when the turn puts 4 to a straight on the board or something. Or maybe this is way off. I don't see this move very often and I'm wondering if anyone else has some insight as to what he might be doing this with.

edit: do you think AK plays this way ever?
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:40 PM
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Default Re: trying to make me fold or get it in?

well you are ~44% against a range of ATo+,ATs+,TT+, and just calling here is really bad, so basically you need to play for stacks if you continue, and the only hands that call you have you crushed. also, i imagine that his range is probably much tighter than what i gave. against QQ+, AQs+, AQo+ you are ~30/70.

so fold is really your only play
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