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Old 11-16-2006, 04:10 AM
stinkypete stinkypete is offline
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Default party 30/60 against a maniac and a fish

the limper is a total maniac. in an earlier hand he check/3-bet a K53 flop with 65o after preflop was capped 3-ways, and bet the whole way.

the SB is a 58.3/16.7 fish.

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (19 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks.

Turn: (9.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
B checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP folds, SB calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:36 AM
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Default Re: party 30/60 against a maniac and a fish

nh
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:36 AM
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Default Re: party 30/60 against a maniac and a fish

Raise preflop, I like the rest a lot.

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Old 11-16-2006, 06:12 AM
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nh
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Old 11-16-2006, 06:21 AM
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Default Re: party 30/60 against a maniac and a fish

i like it. pf check is alright, i think.
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Old 11-16-2006, 06:28 AM
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Default Re: party 30/60 against a maniac and a fish

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Old 11-16-2006, 06:33 AM
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Default Re: party 30/60 against a maniac and a fish

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Raise preflop

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It's close but checking is fine.
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Old 11-16-2006, 07:01 AM
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Default Re: party 30/60 against a maniac and a fish

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Raise preflop, I like the rest a lot.

-DeathDonkey

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i don't really like raising preflop since it's impossible to tell where i stand when i miss. i prefer to hit my hand and let them pay me off. what's your reasoning?
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Old 11-16-2006, 07:19 AM
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Default Re: party 30/60 against a maniac and a fish

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Raise preflop, I like the rest a lot.

-DeathDonkey

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i don't really like raising preflop since it's impossible to tell where i stand when i miss. i prefer to hit my hand and let them pay me off. what's your reasoning?

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ATo has huge equity against these tards and you don't mind showing down a lot vs the maniac.
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Old 11-16-2006, 07:40 AM
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Default Re: party 30/60 against a maniac and a fish

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Raise preflop, I like the rest a lot.

-DeathDonkey

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i don't really like raising preflop since it's impossible to tell where i stand when i miss. i prefer to hit my hand and let them pay me off. what's your reasoning?

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ATo has huge equity against these tards and you don't mind showing down a lot vs the maniac.

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i don't think the fraction of a bet in equity i gain by raising here is worth all the bad things it brings along with it.

raising increases reverse implied odds, decreases implied odds, makes it easier for them not to spew when an ace flops, and just makes the hand more difficult to play.

i'm also pretty sure SB is never folding if that makes a difference (though i don't really mind having him in the hand paying me off when i hit).

what's your cutoff here? would you even consider raising A9o? i sure wouldn't.
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