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Old 11-15-2006, 04:58 PM
mpethybridge mpethybridge is offline
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Default JJ Flops Set, Ugly Turn, But I have to Push, Right?

Yeah, I know, the preflop raise was too small. I was posting and not paying proper attention. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Both Villains are loose passive/passive. I hate the turn card obviously, was there a better play here?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $37.50
UTG+1: $45.05
MP1: $12.90
MP2: $49.75
MP3: $47.60
hero: $56.90
Button: $40.40
SB: $48
BB: $51.30

Pre-flop: (9 players) hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $2</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($6.75, 3 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $10</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($36.75, 3 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $15</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises all-in $44.9</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG calls all-in $25.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 calls all-in $18.05</font>.
Uncalled bets: $11.85 returned to hero.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($120.8, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $113.25, Sidepot 1: $15.1)


Results:
Final pot: $120.8
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Old 11-15-2006, 05:01 PM
mikechops mikechops is offline
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Default Re: JJ Flops Set, Ugly Turn, But I have to Push, Right?

If someone hit a one-ended straight draw, you are entitled to go broke and post in BBV. Sorry, did I say "entitled" - I meant required.
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Old 11-15-2006, 05:28 PM
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Default Re: JJ Flops Set, Ugly Turn, But I have to Push, Right?

what is so ugly about this turn?
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Old 11-15-2006, 06:07 PM
mpethybridge mpethybridge is offline
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Default Re: JJ Flops Set, Ugly Turn, But I have to Push, Right?

Just that it completes a straight one of these donks might have been drawing to. Normally when a straight completes, especially with multiple callers of a raise, I think about slowing down with my sets. But here, because of the flush draw being more likely than someone having stayed in with KQ, I did not think that I should. That was the basis for the question--while normally it is prudent to slow down when a straight completes in a multiway pot, this straight was so unlikely and the flush draw was still there, so I felt like I had to push and risk paying off some moran that had stayed in with 4 outs.
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Old 11-15-2006, 06:19 PM
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Default Re: JJ Flops Set, Ugly Turn, But I have to Push, Right?

I don't mind getting my money in here every time. If has KQ I'm going to pay him off.
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Old 11-15-2006, 06:22 PM
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Default Re: JJ Flops Set, Ugly Turn, But I have to Push, Right?

flop raise is too small
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Old 11-15-2006, 06:46 PM
mpethybridge mpethybridge is offline
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Default Re: JJ Flops Set, Ugly Turn, But I have to Push, Right?

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flop raise is too small

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Excellent point, ty. If I understand your rationale, by raising only to $10, I gave tempting odds to both players left to act, yes?
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Old 11-15-2006, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: JJ Flops Set, Ugly Turn, But I have to Push, Right?

Wrong forum.
Your bets were not the correct size, but the action would have been the same regardless.
That turn is not nearly as scary as you think it is.
Cut the action after your push, or just before and ask what your action should be.
Push is correct.
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Old 11-15-2006, 07:00 PM
chopchoi chopchoi is offline
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Default Re: JJ Flops Set, Ugly Turn, But I have to Push, Right?

I like your flop raise. You have to think UTG is going to fold to a bet and a raise after checking the flop, and you don't wanna push UTG+1 out of the pot. The only thing he have that you should be remotely worried about is a flush draw, and your bet denies him odds to draw.

The turn should not scare you at all. If one of them has KQ here (unless it's KQh), pay 'em off, re-load, and win it back easy.
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Old 11-15-2006, 07:05 PM
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Default Re: JJ Flops Set, Ugly Turn, But I have to Push, Right?

raise more pf..(2.50 or 3) Pot sized raise on flop is around 16, make it closer to that. As played no problem on turn
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