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11-13-2006, 07:47 PM
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suited one gapper. Too lose or too aggressive?
My stats are 26/6.5/1.5
Since my VPIP is too high, I am looking at potential loose calls, and seeing what everyone thinks... Guys behind are calling stations from the limited # of hands with PFR of 0, 5%, 3.3% and 0. 15-60 hands. SO I limp. ON the flop Button is 65/0/0.75 over 55 hands and BB is 48/3.3/1.0 31 hands. Poker Stars Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $0.25/$0.5 9 players Converter Pre-flop: (9 players) Todd is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 folds, Todd calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB checks. Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.4SB, 3 players) BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Todd bets</font>, Button calls, BB folds. Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2.7BB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Todd bets</font> 
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#2
11-13-2006, 07:53 PM
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Re: suited one gapper. Too lose or too aggressive?
yep. muck that baby pf.
and why are you betting the flop... ...and the turn... horrible, horrible hand. i should explain... sorry. this hand is only ever going to be good in big multiway pots, even then, only if you can see the flop for cheap. play it from the blinds or late position if there are heaps of limpers. on the flop, you have nothing. i gutshot and a bdfd that isnt going to hold up all the time. the pot is tiny. u have no where close to the equity (fold or pot) to make this bet for value. turn. see flop explanation. but now the pot is smaller (relativly) so its worse. horrible, horrible hand.
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#3
11-13-2006, 08:14 PM
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Re: suited one gapper. Too lose or too aggressive?
Thanks for expanding your answer Snitch.
the goal is to find problem hands that look good, and then turn problematic, so as to play them correctly next time. In this case, both callers were so straight forward from the limited number of hands that I assumed that if they didnt have Ace, they would fold. So, the flop bet is a obviously a steal...really didnt matter what the cards were, really. ON the turn with a double gutter, I figured I actually had outs, and ought to bet again.
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#6
11-13-2006, 08:25 PM
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Re: suited one gapper. Too lose or too aggressive?
I don't think the PF limp is a problem. The players behind are passive so why not put in one small bet with a hand that has an equity edge against 3 or 4 random hands?
Flop bet is horrible, you have nothing and they are calling stations. Ditto turn.
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#7
11-13-2006, 08:35 PM
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Re: suited one gapper. Too lose or too aggressive?
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I don't think the PF limp is a problem. The players behind are passive so why not put in one small bet with a hand that has an equity edge against 3 or 4 random hands? [/ QUOTE ] Your opponents will fold their worst hands and raise with the top 3% or whatever. This is enough to turn a tiny equity edge to a -EV play.
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#10
11-13-2006, 08:46 PM
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Re: suited one gapper. Too lose or too aggressive?
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In this case, both callers were so straight forward from the limited number of hands that I assumed that if they didnt have Ace, they would fold [/ QUOTE ] they will call with many, many hands worse than an ace (all/most of which beat you). [ QUOTE ] So, the flop bet is a obviously a steal...really didnt matter what the cards were, really. [/ QUOTE ] the problem is you have no fold equity, and no equity edge. if you had a solid draw like T9 with another opponent, you could probably bet this with a slight equity edge, as you are sure that your two opponents would call (according to your read). on the turn, yes you now have more outs, but you still have no equity edge vs just one opponent. if he called a flop bet on this semi-dry board he will probably call that blank turn (especially given your read), so you are burning money. you have to see that on this board, he probably is not drawing, therefor has some sort of hand, even if it is bottom pair. given your read of "calling station", this fits with his play. even if he is drawing, he has more outs than you.
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