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Old 11-12-2006, 04:09 AM
deepdowntruth deepdowntruth is offline
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Default ($22 PS) Bubble, 77 in the blinds, facing a raise

I got totally frozen here. Early bubble, so play was fairly tight, and the raiser didn't seem to be getting out of line so far. Calling, raising, folding..none of them seemed right at the time. Stack sizes were a little awkward.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t2850)
Button (t3425)
SB (t2730)
Hero (t4495)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Button raises to t600</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, Hero ????
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Old 11-12-2006, 04:12 AM
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Default Re: ($22 PS) Bubble, 77 in the blinds, facing a raise

I call looking to hit my set against the other big stack and check fold if I miss my set.

I do not come over the top here on the bubble with your stack.
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Old 11-12-2006, 04:19 AM
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Default Re: ($22 PS) Bubble, 77 in the blinds, facing a raise

Calling is terrible considering stack size and size of raise.

This is a clear push/fold spot, I lean toward folding.
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Old 11-12-2006, 04:30 AM
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Default Re: ($22 PS) Bubble, 77 in the blinds, facing a raise

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Calling is terrible considering stack size and size of raise.

This is a clear push/fold spot, I lean toward folding.

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Please explain how calling here is horrible? With the current blinds and his stack he has PLENTY of time if he misses the flop because this is a non turbo. Pushing here makes no sense with his stack and the buttons stack with the current blind level.

I agree on folding here sometimes too but I really dont think calling here is a bad play.
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Old 11-12-2006, 04:41 AM
djj6835 djj6835 is offline
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Default Re: ($22 PS) Bubble, 77 in the blinds, facing a raise

Assuming you win all of the SB's chips everytime you flop a set then calling would be about an even money play in terms of cEV. It is definitely a losing play in terms of $EV and this is assuming what I stated above, which is assuming a lot.

edit: just noticed you were the BB which makes it not quite as bad since you're only calling 400. Your still not winning enough real money here the times you flop a set to make it worthwhile.
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Old 11-12-2006, 04:42 AM
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Default Re: ($22 PS) Bubble, 77 in the blinds, facing a raise

If you call, there will be t1300 in the middle and Button will only have t2800 behind. Just not a good spot to be in. Villain raised almost 1/5th of his stack. Just a really clear push/fold spot.
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Old 11-12-2006, 04:51 AM
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Default Re: ($22 PS) Bubble, 77 in the blinds, facing a raise

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If you call, there will be t1300 in the middle and Button will only have t2800 behind. Just not a good spot to be in. Villain raised almost 1/5th of his stack. Just a really clear push/fold spot.

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How will he have 2800 behind when he has 4500?
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Old 11-12-2006, 04:53 AM
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Default Re: ($22 PS) Bubble, 77 in the blinds, facing a raise

id probably fold without a read. from what ive seen, at least at the turbos, a raise of 4x at t150 is that of a player who usually isnt crazy about his hand but will also not fold before the flop very often, meaning you have very little FE, although youll always have some here. problem is, if you shove and get called its pretty disastrous, calling bloats a huge pot playing only for set value as well, so id fold. if he made it 3x id probably have called, or perhaps shoved with a read.
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