TT OOP on turn

josh_x · #1 11-11-2006, 09:08 PM

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saw flop

MP2 ($12.75)
CO ($58.80)
Button ($55.70)
SB ($43)
Hero ($210.25)
UTG ($15.20)
MP1 ($48.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $3.5, MP1 calls $3.50, MP2 calls $3.50, SB folds.

Flop: ($12.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $8, MP1 calls $8, MP2 folds.

Turn: ($28.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero... 

Villain is unknown, hasn't really done anything i've noticed as out of the ordinary. Assume he is loose, reasonably passive. MP2 who folded on the flop was a complete goose who's 40BB stack he lost to me with 2nd pair no kicker not long ago.

What do we think he has and what do we do?

Claunchy · #2 11-11-2006, 09:19 PM

He probably has a pair or a FD. Bet for value.

carnivalhobo · #3 11-11-2006, 09:22 PM

his range is pretty wide, but there are plenty of draws and one pair hands we are ahead of, so bet.

josh_x · #4 11-11-2006, 09:37 PM

If we bet, how much, and are we intending to call a raise? Because if we bet say 20 we would be getting 5-1 to call off the rest. If the answer is yes then might as well we not just push it? Or is he calling 20 with hands A9 but not a push?

carnivalhobo · #5 11-11-2006, 09:39 PM

i think betting 20-25 and calling a shove is fine, no reason to push yourself, we arent really looking for FE here.

Jamougha · #6 11-11-2006, 09:56 PM

Bet half his stack or so and call a push. He's short and you have an overpair on a fairly safe board, be happy to get ai.

jdo10587 · #7 11-11-2006, 10:53 PM

Not to many good players play with 50bb stacks so you can probably assume hes a little donkish. I want to get it in and accept whatver happends as your ahead a good portion of the time.

josh_x · #8 11-11-2006, 11:20 PM

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Not to many good players play with 50bb stacks so you can probably assume hes a little donkish. I want to get it in and accept whatver happends as your ahead a good portion of the time.

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Actually it was at $50NL so he had a full stack.

Results were i pushed it. I agree though that i should have just bet it normally. Pushing pretty much makes him call if he's ahead and fold if behind i would think. Maaybe he folds JJ or something but he probably doesn't have that based on pf action anyway.

One interesting thing though is that with a flush draw (+ overs) he can profitably call 20 on the turn, assuming i am willing to get his last 16 in on the river (i am not 100% of this, but my rough math says so). The interesting thing is that he might, like plently of people would, peel one on the flop with a fd but then fold the turn. At the same time he might be calling with A9 type of pair hands. So i think that by betting 20 or so there is a good chance of him doing the wrong thing with his draws and also with his made-but-worse-than-me hands. But if i bet more he would fold both correctly, leaving him only playing the hands that are better than mine.

Anyway, he insta called with top set. I blame my mistake on having run good that session and losing focus and feeling too confident.

Halstad · #9 11-12-2006, 12:04 AM

I don't mind the play. You'll get called by a flush draw plenty of times. A lot of players may look you up with some 1 pair hands or something even as crappy as AQ.

pokerchap · #10 11-12-2006, 12:10 AM

i usually bet about 22 or so here. i'm not really scared of much here, likely has a big draw.

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