Question- when do you lead into a raiser?

[Etats360]

I have been think about this topic, because I don't do it as much as other players. What are the reasons to lead into someone who put in the last bet/raise on the previous betting round? I see weak players make weak leads as bluffs, and I usually raise with any two.

Do people do this with draws so they can "set the price" to draw? Lead with a monster to try and induce a raise? Get information from the opponent? Or as blocking bets with mrginal hands?

What are the main concepts/thought processes when doing this?

[nextgenneo]

I usually lead my stronger hands into the raisers just because generally it looks weak, esp when its against a player who c-bets a lot

[Keyser.]

Compared to Party, it seems like Full Tilt players lead into the raiser way more often (anyone else find that?). I usually lead monsters and sometimes FDs, sometimes lead with the intention of 3-betting big draws.

I keep seeing a bunch of Full Tilt players do stuff like call a raise in the blinds with stuff like AT, hit a A82 or Txx board and then lead with it. That's a pretty bad line, imo, because when you're ahead you miss out on the PFR's c-bet by folding out their trash hands, and when you're behind you inflate the pot and still have pretty much no idea where you stand.

[gimmetheloot]

I almost never, ever lead into the raiser to be honest....
I c/r alot though. and b/3b when i am aggressor alot too.

[carnivalhobo]

i almost never donkbet, i cant think of a case where i do it as a rule in fact.

[mikechops]

I usually do it if I have a monster and the flop likely hit him. Set or two-pair on an A high board or I flopped a broadway straight ect. I'm looking to get raised here.

If I think the flop missed him and it missed me too, I'll sometimes do it.

[carnivalhobo]

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I usually do it if I have a monster and the flop likely hit him. Set or two-pair on an A high board or I flopped a broadway straight ect. I'm looking to get raised here.

If I think the flop missed him and it missed me too, I'll sometimes do it.

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In situation one, wont he bet his monster as well as the off chance he has air, you get a bet from that. In the second example, why not let his cbet and then steal that too?

[Cue-Ball 66]

You lead because you want him to raise and pot comitt himself. That way you have a chance to take an entire stack. It by far offsets the chance you'll win one psb on the flop.

[carnivalhobo]

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You lead because you want him to raise and pot comitt himself. That way you have a chance to take an entire stack. It by far offsets the chance you'll win one psb on the flop.

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so you are saying that if i flop a set in a raise pot against a guy with AA and c/r flop and lead turn i dont get his stack, but if i b/3bai i do? Thats nonsense.

[Cue-Ball 66]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. More so with a hand like AQ or AK, where he flop top pair A-kicker.