Bottom 2 pair on a big board

[EasilyConfused]

No read on the button.

Did I push this hand too hard?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($48)
CO ($49)
Button ($48.40)
SB ($53.30)
Hero ($39.85)
UTG ($42.10)
MP1 ($50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $37.85</font>

[Dustangel]

call 3-bet. I think I'm calling the turn unless K or T comes.

[Shaddux]

I don't like the push.

[HouseCalls]

Unless he's on a flat steal, this flop is likely to connect with hands that button will raise with PF. His initial post flop bet might still be a automatic C-bet after stealing with trash but once he calls your flop raise you have to give him some credit for a hand. Call the 3-bet and re-eval on the turn.

[EasilyConfused]

Ok, let's say I called the 3-bet, rather than pushing. Do I need to see a Q or a J on the turn to invest more money in the hand?

In the actual hand, the turn was a 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. If he bets, do I fold?

[deaders]

Fold preflop. Seriously, calling with QJo in the BB is really bad.

After his 3-bet on the flop its unlikely bottom two is good on this board, Im folding. IMO fold &gt; call &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; push.

[EasilyConfused]

Is it really a bad preflop call against a button raise? I'd agree if the raise came from early position, but a typical button will raise with some very bad hands. Why not see a flop here?

[deaders]

Because it is a junk hand oop. There have been some good threads in ssnl about playing in the blinds against a steal, try a search to see if you can find any of them. Generally, if you have a playable hand in this position it is better to reraise than flat call, but folding QJ here is pretty standard.

[Big Poppa Smurf]

yeah preflop isn't good, i would fold this unless for some reason i decided to raise.

i would just call the flop 3-bet and reevaluate on the turn.
if it blanks off and he shoves i'd probably call and hope to see an overplayed ak

or if you are going to fold a blank turn just fold the flop

[Thrahl]

Why are you calling a PF raise OOP with QJo?

As for the flop action, Unless I know villain is an idiot who will felt TP I just call the 3bet. His range has you crushed and it looks like he wants to play for stacks. If he comes in for a decent bet on the turn I let this one go.

Board: As Qd Jc
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 38.4184 % 37.75% 00.66% { QcJd }
Hand 2: 61.5816 % 60.92% 00.66% { AA, QQ-JJ, A9o+, KTo }