100NL: Middle set on the turn

[DuderinoAB]

Villian here is 14/8/3.1 over 122. I was looking to CR the flop.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($86.65)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($138.20)
UTG+1 ($95)
MP1 ($98.50)
MP2 ($70.65)
CO ($100)
Button ($108.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 8. CO posts a blind of $1.
[color=#666666]4 folds</font>, CO (poster) checks, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($3) K, 8, 3 [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($3) A [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $2</font>, CO calls $2, [color=#CC3333]SB raises to $4</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $12</font>, CO folds, [color=#CC3333]SB raises to $20</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero???</font>

[twosevenoffsuit]

Push

Not raising PF and checking flop says to me he does not have AA or KK

I think range is either 33 or Ax hearts

[Cue-Ball 66]

You can call turn and fire river, or just re-raise him in here, he looks pretty set to play with the double min-raise. If he has AA-KK then just 'wtf' it off and take note, but you rate to be way way ahead and he wants to play, so just re-pop it.

That being said, I bet flop.

[twosevenoffsuit]

Cue - you wouldn't want him to have to pay for a flush draw here?

Plus, if your push appears to be a flush protector against his own hand, he could call with 33 or AK and be way behind

[Cue-Ball 66]

I said to re-raise turn. You're ahead and he wants to play. He probably has A8 or A3 and he's obv a donk.

P.S. I certainly would want him to pay for flush draw, hence why I bet flop.

[SABR42]

Raise pre-flop.

CO posted, so he has ATC. SB limp also means just about ATC. Raise and try to take it down.

Lead the flop, why are you going for a C/R against CO who can have ATC (mostly will not bet)?

On the turn, you should be happy to continue raising until you are all-in. You are crushing his two pair.

[DuderinoAB]

I should have mentioned that CO has limped and then bet the flop a couple of times...thus looking for the check raise. Also, am I getting max value here by leading the flop when neither of my opponents are likely to have a hand? I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, I just wanna know the thought process.

[Cue-Ball 66]

Two reasons for betting the flop.

1 - Value. You have the best hand and would like to start building a big pot as soon as possible. Any number of hands call you here. Flush draws, Kx, some people will call with PPs.

2 - Protection. There's a flush draw out and you want to protect your hand.


Why are you looking for a check-raise from CO? He's posted a dead blind and has any two. Just because he's limped and bet a couple of pots in no way means he's betting this one. The types of hands that are going to catch up enough to turn this into a big pot are the hands that will call your flop bet.

I still don't understand what you're worried about on turn?

[EddieRooo]

what is the question here? this is the easiest push ever (or u can get in one of the situations where u keep small raising until you are both allin heh)

[loosbastard]

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On the turn, you should be happy to continue raising until you are all-in. You are crushing his two pair.

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I was thinking the exact same thing when I read it. He probably has A3, K3, or some other raggity 2 pair that he's willing to stack off. Just go ahead and shove it in.