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Old 11-01-2006, 02:09 PM
ajmargarine ajmargarine is offline
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Default Simple KK 4-betting Question

Reraiser is jjberns, a regular at NL100. Decent TAG, not an idiot, not making a preflop move here. The non-PSR is probably a tell that says I want some action. What's my optimal play?

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $116.70
CO: $100
Button: $229.35
Hero: $118.65
BB: $71.75

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $10</font>, Button folds, Hero...
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: Simple KK 4-betting Question

call and c/r AI on most flops, c/c A high flops and fold to further aggression.

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Old 11-01-2006, 02:16 PM
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Default Re: Simple KK 4-betting Question

If he thinks you will 4-bet with less than you have then do it. If he thinks it can only be AA/KK then call.
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:18 PM
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Default Re: Simple KK 4-betting Question

Reraise OOP w/ KK unless you have a good read that you can trap him easily. There are a good number of flops that will mess you up so get the money in now, when it seems like he wants to play with his marginal raise.
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:21 PM
ajmargarine ajmargarine is offline
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Default Re: Simple KK 4-betting Question

By calling, we invite UTG along....is that not an issue?
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:23 PM
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Default Re: Simple KK 4-betting Question

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By calling, we invite UTG along....is that not an issue?

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tbh it's not a huge issue, some may say it is, but it will make the pfr-r play more straightforward so it helps.

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Old 11-01-2006, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: Simple KK 4-betting Question

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By calling, we invite UTG along....is that not an issue?

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That's what I'm struggling with, though if UTG comes along, then the chances of an A flopping are greatly diminished.

Against a bad player I think 4-betting OOP is the way to go, here I can see a call.
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:29 PM
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Default Re: Simple KK 4-betting Question

aj,
i think you are overanalysing the the betting tell. the non psr probably doesn't mean squat, unless you have a history of him betting full pot every single time.

I would call and cr ai on many flops. who cares if UTG comes around, theres fairly few flops that we don't like. if there's an ace, check/fold. consider vbing the river if you get there hu. if there isn't an ace, cr ai sounds good, unless the flop is bad.

did you see a flop?

edit: i didn't really pay attention to stacks - a cr ai might be too much. cr 2/3 pot or even cr the turn; whatever. just check first, then get the money in later.
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:30 PM
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though if UTG comes along, then the chances of an A flopping are greatly diminished

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could you please elaborate. i do not understand this what so ever.
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:32 PM
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Default Re: Simple KK 4-betting Question

kei - it means the probability of one (or both) having an ace is greater, so the chances of an ace flopping is lesser since there are only 4 in the deck.
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