Flopped bottom 2 pr. with "Huh??" action

bmxreed36 · #1 10-31-2006, 04:13 PM

Second hour of Stars $22 rebuy. Only my second orbit or so at the table so no real reads. I check with the intention of raising and then....

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t8260)
UTG (t10600)
UTG+1 (t5311)
MP1 (t17665)
MP2 (t3200)
MP3 (t8465)
CO (t5245)
Button (t9092)
SB (t17985)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t600, 2 folds, MP3 calls t600, CO calls t600, 2 folds, Hero calls t400.

Flop: (t2400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets t800, MP3 raises to t1600, CO raises to t2400

Hero......?

AceLuby · #2 10-31-2006, 04:24 PM

I fold. Bottom 2 is good like 1% of the time w/ this action. My guess is as set, an overpair, and a draw.

Bullet_Dodger · #3 10-31-2006, 04:25 PM

instafold.

MEJG2 · #4 10-31-2006, 04:26 PM

4 people seeing a draw heavy flop of 2 connected cards and 2 suited cards. I don't like a check raise here at all. I would have led at the pot. As played, with this amount of action on a table I just moved to, I am folding.

registrar · #5 10-31-2006, 04:28 PM

LOL. 1/3 pot + minraise + minraise. I don't know what it represents but I'm not pushing and I'm not playing on OOP.

JCool · #6 10-31-2006, 04:29 PM

Call me crazy, but I think I'm pushing this. Ur realistically only behind a set (because anyone playing a better two pair than you should be shot on site, and shot again just to make sure), and two of the 4s and 5s are already out, so I'd say there's a pretty good chance u have the best hand.

durkahdurkah · #7 10-31-2006, 04:30 PM

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Hero......?

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wonders why he joined a limit tourney lol

seriously though, I'd say the possible hands that are out there include:

Flush draw
AT/KT/QT/JT
TT/55/44 (though 55/44 are discounted obv)
maybe 76

This is a weird spot. I'm honestly not sure. I'd lean toward folding though, I think the risk of a set being out there is just too high given the action.

(and yes I know this isn't a limit tourney btw)

MEJG2 · #8 10-31-2006, 04:54 PM

Push here and you get 3 callers.

1st guy has trips and you are drawing to 4 outs
2nd guy calls with his A high flush draw, you now have 3 outs
3rd guy calls with his straight draw...

So even if the trips are not there you lose 60% of the time, to the straight and flush draw that just called you.

Ok so this example might be a little overcooked - but not too far off... Like AceLuby said you ahead about 1% of the time here. FOLD!

bmxreed36 · #9 10-31-2006, 05:02 PM

Normally with bottom 2 pair and a bet and two raises to me, folding isn't too difficult. But here, better two pairs (T4, T3) aren't very likely plus miniraise and reminiraise are just retarded no matter what hands they may have. I figure retarded villian--->greater likelyhood of retarded hand. So I'm behind a set...who has it? What the hell do they have?

MEJG2 · #10 10-31-2006, 05:14 PM

With 4 players the miniraise screams to me "wanting to build the pot" I am more afraid of trips here than the flush draw, although I think with this action someone has a good flush draw too.

I would not be surprised if the best hand right now of the 3 is an over pair, but there is no way I am spending a dime with this action to find out. Your bottom 2 does not play well against 3 players and all those draws.