Dry side pot

Kevin J · #1 10-31-2006, 04:25 AM

I'm not sure what constitutes high limit anymore, but this was a 30-60 game. This is also a pretty straightforward question, and I can't believe I'm even asking this. But it looks like I got it wrong and I'm curious what others think.

The situation is it's 3-way on the river with an all-in pre-flop raiser. Your lone opponent with money bets $60 at the dry side pot. You're getting 7 to 1 on the main pot and 1 to 1 on the side pot. You can only beat a bluff. What's your play?

MitchL · #2 10-31-2006, 04:33 AM

Really need a better read on this lone opponent. Is he the kind of guy who would bluff here? He has to be pretty dumb to.

Kevin J · #3 10-31-2006, 04:42 AM

Unkown.

Edit: I guess the question really is, do you assume the average unkown player thinks at all?

MitchL · #4 10-31-2006, 04:56 AM

No. But I dont think you are losing much even if he is bluffing, because to call u have to assume the all in player completely missed.

Schneids · #5 10-31-2006, 09:59 AM

Your specific board, action, and cards matter I think.

The fact you have a pair on a dry board I think does matter.

Here is the hand in question:

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So I'm playing 30-60 at Canterbury. There's a raise and a couple of callers and I call with 65s from the BB.

Flop comes 332 and it's checked around.

Turn is a 5 and I bet. Pre-flop raiser calls $60 all-in. One other guy calls.

River is a 9. I check and he bets. WTF!?? It's a dry sidepot. He can't be bluffing, right? So I fold.

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mmcd · #6 10-31-2006, 10:50 AM

Why would you check the river here for any purpose other than inducing a bluff?

Kevin J · #7 10-31-2006, 11:31 AM

Sorry, I was really tired last night. You're right. I see how the hand matters, because the pf raiser didn't bet the flop. I also see how the board matters, because there's not much the 3rd player could have (on that board). So I now see why calling is very reasonable. Wow, I totally missed that. I was only thinking about how idiotic it would be to try a bluff without any EV. I still say it was a terrible bet on his part, but I should've called anyway. Thanks Schneids

Kevin J · #8 10-31-2006, 11:35 AM

I didn't see any value in my betting, because the only thing left for him was a busted flush/str9 draw, or a pair of nines. I definitely didn't see any value in inducing a bluff, because the guy can't make any money even if his bluff was successful. But I do see now why I should've called his bet (I think).

danzasmack · #9 10-31-2006, 11:36 AM

Initial reactin was "wtf fold" but now that i see the hand. You can call.

It's not idiot if I have like 22/AJ and want you to fold when I'm ahead of the all in player.

mmcd · #10 10-31-2006, 12:28 PM

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didn't see any value in my betting, because the only thing left for him was a busted flush/str9 draw,

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If he had a hand that could beat a 5, he probably would have either bet the flop or raised the turn. I don't know if this guy would call down with A-high here, but I'm certainly going give him the chance to.