KJs, big pot

4708romain · #1 10-30-2006, 08:44 AM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Button folds, BB folds, Hero calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (6.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

i raised preflop cuz the table was full of fishes who cold-called with [censored], included the blinds.

flop: against only the bettor and almost closing the action, i felt my overccards outs could be good and the pot huge. i had no stats on this guy.

turn: standard

river: i thought he was likely to have something like top pair, or a medium pp.
should i have c/c, b/f, b/c ?

Str8Fish · #2 10-30-2006, 09:10 AM

since MP3 showed aggression on the flop, I wouldn't expect him to have a Q on the turn. Therefore, you might have had some J outs. Raising the river was a bad idea, though. I'd just c/c in that spot.

The rest of the hand is fine.

antneye · #3 10-30-2006, 09:10 AM

How is the turn standard? You have nothing and cannot be sure you have 6 full outs, and may eve be drawing dead to a set or strt.....33, 77, 44, 56S is definitely in the range for MP3 to limp PF. For 6 pure outs you need about 6.5:1.......you are getting 7.25-1 on your call....this is marginal at best and a clear fold after you discount some (2?) outs for when you are facing a set or strt.

I don't mind peeling the flop, but think you need to fold turn. Once you hit you are in a raising war with a guy who knows you hit your Jack and says he doesn't care. If I had hung around to the river I am check calling this.

SuLi · #4 10-30-2006, 09:24 AM

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I don't mind peeling the flop, but think you need to fold turn.

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Fold the turn? We have 4 diamonds and the odds are ok to call!

antneye · #5 10-30-2006, 09:41 AM

missed the flush draw.....sorry. river comments still apply. Turn IS standard.

DrModern · #6 10-30-2006, 10:17 AM

The flop peel is fine. The best thing you did in this hand was not c-betting this flop.

The river check-raise is spew. Either donk it or check-call.

Heron · #7 10-30-2006, 10:32 AM

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Once you hit you are in a raising war with a guy who knows you hit your Jack and says he doesn't care.

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...and then you have to fold because poker players are so trustworthy?

Absolution · #8 10-30-2006, 10:40 AM

I like it. I would have put him on the same hands you did so I think raising is good and folding to the 3-bet is necessary if you're going to raise here. It looks like a set on the river.

BigBadBabar · #9 10-30-2006, 10:53 AM

i like all of the hand, except the river is an easy check-call in my opinion, and i would expect to lose most of the time but probably not 8 out of 9 times which is why i call it. as played it's a river spew.

bbb

Man of Means · #10 10-30-2006, 10:55 AM

Check/call river (bet/fold also an option against less aggressive opponents); the rest is fine.