working on tough folds 3/6 & 5/10

jt1 · #1 10-28-2006, 12:51 AM

1. Villain is LAG after just 30 hands (50/22/1.5). He is 0/7 in turn check raises and the one time he raised the turn, he won the SD. I may have been searching too hard to find a fold here. Had he played it more straight forward, I'd have called down, but the two check-raises either backfired or bought off this weak/tight player. One thing for sure I should have at least called the turn, A6 & A2 is just as likely as A9, a set, or 69. I'm very disapointed that I didn't at least call the turn.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5SB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero folds.

2. I'm more confortable with this fold but it's been on my mind for about a week so I thought I'd include it here. Villain is a classic TAG: I've never seen him get out of line.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG raises, CO 3-bets, Hero caps, BB folds, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (11.8SB, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, CO calls, Hero caps, UTG calls, CO calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (11.9BB, 3 players)
UTG bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (14.9BB, 3 players)
UTG bets, CO folds, Hero folds.

Final pot: 14.9BB

Leader · #2 10-28-2006, 12:58 AM

I think both are bad. Hand on he could have a draw or Ax. In hand two the pot is huge and QQ/AJ are possible. So call.

xZExROx · #3 10-28-2006, 01:07 AM

i agree with leader and additionally, dont understand how u call the turn in hand two but not the river...

edit - heart draw - got it

soah · #4 10-28-2006, 01:12 AM

Why do you act last as the sb? But I'd definitely call the river and hope to see QQ or the other kings.

jt1 · #5 10-28-2006, 01:14 AM

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Why do you act last as the sb? But I'd definitely call the river and hope to see QQ or the other kings.

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That's weird. I was OTB and the other guy was the CO. I'll edit it if I can.

soah · #6 10-28-2006, 01:18 AM

Well you fixed half of it at least. ;P

MacGuyV · #7 10-28-2006, 01:25 AM

Man, that's how you get an insanely high AF. Hand #1 you could have some counterfit outs when you're behind; hand #2 I'd just call down the flop check/3bet.

jt1 · #8 10-28-2006, 01:55 AM

Over the last 18k hands, my AF is 2.8.

LImitPlayer · #9 10-28-2006, 01:57 AM

Hand 1: I call the turn and fold the Hand UI on the river
Hand 2: I call down here, I don't like this fold at all

jt1 · #10 10-28-2006, 02:06 AM

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Hand 1: I call the turn and fold the Hand UI on the river
Hand 2: I call down here, I don't like this fold at all

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I'm the exact opposite. I really dislike hand one. I'm getting nearly 5-1 on a call down and that's enough since I may improve. Hand 2, I cold-capped preflop & raised and capped on the flop. His stats were 25/16/1.6 - He wouldn't play AA this strong let alone QQ unless he was planning on bet/folding the turn, which is possible though I've subsequently seen him c/c down with overpairs/TPTK against this type of aggression