Flop top set - how do I extract the most?

scottjf8 · #1 10-27-2006, 06:55 PM

Deep in the $30 rebuy lat night....

Villian in the hand was a solid player, who I had recently drew out on... we got it all in with me behind, and I sucked out on the turn. He was pretty pissed and giving me crap about it, but I didn't think he was tilting - I thought he continued to play with his head.

My thought behind the turn was that maybe he was continuing betting with an ace, and it was a good card for me.

I think my flop call was the right play, but of course jamming isnt horrible.

I'm interested in the better players decision thoughts when flopping a monster, and how to get all the money in the center...

Thanks
Scott

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t68887)
MP1 (t22213)
MP2 (t83796)
Hero (t84288)
Button (t53789)
SB (t32241)
BB (t14365)
UTG (t55401)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t4800, 1 fold, SB calls t4000, 1 fold.

Flop: (t9325) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t4800, Hero calls t4800.

Turn: (t18925) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t11200, SB folds.

Final Pot: t30125

Fiksdal · #2 10-27-2006, 08:03 PM

Flop is fine.. You have a flop safer than any, and your opponent seems willing to bet for you. Let him. Sucks that he checks turn obv, I don't hate checking behind there, because you have position, and he might decide to fire a last bullet on the river. Making it 10k-ish isn't bad at all though, but I marginally prefer checking behind.

0evg0 · #3 10-27-2006, 08:08 PM

raise flop

Fiksdal · #4 10-27-2006, 08:19 PM

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raise flop

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Why?

Omahahaha · #5 10-27-2006, 08:20 PM

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raise flop

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i dont mind him betting into me drawing to 2 outs / runnmer runner

FortunaMaximus · #6 10-27-2006, 08:22 PM

Lotsa overcards on turn can kill your action.

Omahahaha · #7 10-27-2006, 08:23 PM

raising the flop doesnt kill your action either? though admittedly he may have called a flop raise. giving us a bit more

FortunaMaximus · #8 10-27-2006, 08:28 PM

Minraise. Might be doing the call-lead with TT> or a random c-bet. Raggy, uncoordinated board that's not too drawy. You're not getting value on future streets if that's the case, so take the shot at the flop.

Fiksdal · #9 10-27-2006, 08:30 PM

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raising the flop doesnt kill your action either?

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Word.
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Lotsa overcards on turn can kill your action.

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They also might pair the villain, and do the opposite thing.

On the other hand, playing this agressivley and then showing the set makes your c-bets a lot more likely to succeed later. This might be especially useful in a 30$ like this, where I assume a lot of villains are paying some attention.

I don't hate being the agressor here, but this is one of the few occations where everything is right for playing it slowly.

Btw.. Your history with villain is crucial here. Specific information on this part could very much change my decision.

FortunaMaximus · #10 10-27-2006, 08:33 PM

Understood. With a read, could check-turn behind and delay value 'till river.