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Old 10-22-2006, 06:14 PM
punter11235 punter11235 is offline
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Default \"Its better to be bettor than a caller because..\"

"... you can win in 3 ways instead of just one which a call offers".
This argument is quoted in almost every poker book but its ridiculous. Maybe its good to be a bettor and maybe its bad to be a caller but its for sure not for the above quoted reason.
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Old 10-22-2006, 06:23 PM
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Default Re: \"Its better to be bettor than a caller because..\"

You have no fold equity when calling, and you also can't get a free card. You also get money in when ahead.

The best reason I can think of to check when you think you have the best hand is because your hand isn't very vulnerable, your opponent won't call if you bet BUT he WILL bet if you keep checking to him.
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Old 10-22-2006, 06:24 PM
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Default Re: \"Its better to be bettor than a caller because..\"

value and fold equity
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Old 10-22-2006, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: \"Its better to be bettor than a caller because..\"

What I am attacking is that particular argument ("you have 3 ways to win).
I think its pure nonsense. I wonder how otherwise great authors and smart people could use a sentence : "you have 3 ways to win" as an argument for : "its better to be a bettor than a caller". I am not questioning that its in fact better to be a bettor (well at least not in this thread). I only questioning the logic behind that particular argument.
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Old 10-22-2006, 06:48 PM
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Default Re: \"Its better to be bettor than a caller because..\"

I don't see what's wrong with the conventional explanation. It doesn't apply to every situation, but we're talking about a cliche, so I don't think it has to.

All things being equal, (having the best hand)+(FE)+(improving to win) > (having the best hand)+(improving to win).
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Old 10-22-2006, 08:54 PM
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Default Re: \"Its better to be bettor than a caller because..\"

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What I am attacking is that particular argument ("you have 3 ways to win).
I think its pure nonsense.

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You haven't given any reasons to show that it is wrong. Are you denying that fold equity exists, and that it is good to have fold equity? Are you denying that the bettor has fold equity and that the caller has none? You say it is nonsense, but you don't say why.
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Old 10-22-2006, 09:16 PM
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Default Re: \"Its better to be bettor than a caller because..\"

its true though when you bet alot you win more than when you just call right?
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Old 10-22-2006, 09:46 PM
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its true though when you bet alot you win more than when you just call right?

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It depends. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 10-22-2006, 10:33 PM
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its true though when you bet alot you win more than when you just call right?

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lol, this forum is gold.
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Old 10-23-2006, 03:54 AM
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lol, this forum is gold.

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i agree. i need to check in here more.
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