Funky river decision

Vammakala · #1 10-19-2006, 12:59 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

SB ($50.50)
BB ($28.80)
UTG ($51.95)
MP ($29.55)
CO ($36.80)
Hero ($70.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.5, BB calls $3.50.

Turn: ($11.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8.

River: ($27.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $15.3 (All-In), Hero ???

For one I didn't fall into the trap of checking behind on turn and giving him free card. What course of action should I do, he pushed almost instantly. I have less than 20 hands of him, he's 50/17/2 over 15 hands. Haven't seen him do anything completely retarded, but the sample is small.

Call/fold? What about the other parts of the hand?

the machine · #2 10-19-2006, 01:16 PM

what do you mean giving him a free card. this turn bet is spew. by checking we keep the pot size manageable and we wont be put to this decision on the river. a turn bet folds out hands you beat and hands you are losing to come along for the ride

jdefoe · #3 10-19-2006, 01:16 PM

I fold, i dont see anything that you;re beating that plays this way...you'll see a flush or aces up a lot here

nofutures · #4 10-19-2006, 01:16 PM

Insta-calls. This is very often a weird played ace or jack and even more often T6 or J6. You only have to be good 25% of the time. If you get beat by a slowplayed flush or set so be it.

Vammakala · #5 10-19-2006, 02:07 PM

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what do you mean giving him a free card. this turn bet is spew. by checking we keep the pot size manageable and we wont be put to this decision on the river. a turn bet folds out hands you beat and hands you are losing to come along for the ride

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Well when I posted pretty much exactly the same kind of hand here, where I had AA, the general line was that I should bet. In this hand, I'm stronger than AA (didn't have FD there). I think the hand was pretty closely to identical except for what I was holding.

Nice to see dividing opinions about this. Since it's divided, let's add a poll here

the machine · #6 10-19-2006, 02:15 PM

make a poll that says should i bet the turn. thats where the real question should be

Gravy · #7 10-19-2006, 02:20 PM

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what do you mean giving him a free card. this turn bet is spew. by checking we keep the pot size manageable and we wont be put to this decision on the river. a turn bet folds out hands you beat and hands you are losing to come along for the ride

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When you check the turn behind and the river is the x of diamonds, and BB pots it, what do you do?

I think this turn is a bad spot to check behind for pot control. You have top two on a drawy board, bet it.

nofutures · #8 10-19-2006, 02:20 PM

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make a poll that says should i bet the turn. thats where the real question should be

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No please don't bet the turn and let all the draws get their for free.

nyc999 · #9 10-19-2006, 02:33 PM

I definitely bet the turn and fold the river. Really, what are you ahead of that would have called flop/turn bets? That would be one hell of a bluff considering the board.

I would need a read that villain was capable of this play in order to call.

the machine · #10 10-19-2006, 02:35 PM

look at flop action. villain check called which is possibly a FD. im not saying to put him exactly on that hand. but say we do check behind and villain pots it on the river that is a diamond. we can call since the bet will only be 4$.

yeah we have top two on a board that has likely completed a possible draw.

what happens when we bet the turn and villain POTS A NON DIAMOND RIVER?????

turn is an easy check

edit: i think i confused pot size with another hand and the turn would be 11$ here so PSB is 11 on the river if we check and he pots it.

and i still think we check this turn

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