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10-18-2006, 04:47 AM
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Damn cookie jar caught me again
SB is a TAG. I haven't played with him much. He's checked through a couple of flops HU after a pfr and then bet the turn each time I checked to him again. I folded both times.
Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $8/$16 4 players Converter Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB folds. Yeah, yeah...whatever Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5SB, 2 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, SB calls. Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.5BB, 2 players) SB checks, Hero checks. River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3.5BB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero folds. Maybe he has a broadway FD? I don't think that's enough to call or bet the turn. thoughts? 
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#3
10-18-2006, 05:06 AM
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Re: Damn cookie jar caught me again
I like it postflop. I don't think there are enough flush draws to bet the turn, and alot of TAGs will semibluff the flop with them so they might even need to be discounted. I think he needs to have some air in his range that called the flop intending to bluff later if we're putting another bet in, but with the read I don't think it's too likely. If he made a loose flop call with king high he probably won't bet the river.
I'm tempted to see what this weirdo is playing, though.
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#4
10-18-2006, 05:14 AM
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Re: Damn cookie jar caught me again
Maybe it's because I'm running bad and seeing monsters everywhere, but can't this guy have the 8?
I've seen more people getting scared for the ace on the flop but can't just fold on the flop, (something like Ks8d) and decide to calldown. After they see you check the turn, they assume you dont have ace and will bet any river ( I think they would even bet it with the 4). Ofcourse the 8 on the river makes this a bit more unlikely, would like to hear why my thoughts are wrong because I'm pretty sure they're.
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#5
10-18-2006, 05:25 AM
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Re: Damn cookie jar caught me again
[ QUOTE ]
Maybe it's because I'm running bad and seeing monsters everywhere, but can't this guy have the 8? I've seen more people getting scared for the ace on the flop but can't just fold on the flop, (something like Ks8d) and decide to calldown. After they see you check the turn, they assume you dont have ace and will bet any river ( I think they would even bet it with the 4). Ofcourse the 8 on the river makes this a bit more unlikely, would like to hear why my thoughts are wrong because I'm pretty sure they're. [/ QUOTE ] If he has an 8, he probably has 2 or he has A8s. An 8 is very unlikely here. There's no reason to believe he has one really. His range is mostly PP's broadway suited cards, and AT/A9s type hands IMO.
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#6
10-18-2006, 05:28 AM
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Re: Damn cookie jar caught me again
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Maybe it's because I'm running bad and seeing monsters everywhere, but can't this guy have the 8? I've seen more people getting scared for the ace on the flop but can't just fold on the flop, (something like Ks8d) and decide to calldown. After they see you check the turn, they assume you dont have ace and will bet any river ( I think they would even bet it with the 4). Ofcourse the 8 on the river makes this a bit more unlikely, would like to hear why my thoughts are wrong because I'm pretty sure they're. [/ QUOTE ] If he has an 8, he probably has 2 or he has A8s. An 8 is very unlikely here. There's no reason to believe he has one really. His range is mostly PP's broadway suited cards, and AT/A9s type hands IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Wow, that's a really tight defending range for a TAG four handed. Anyways, I like how you played.
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#7
10-18-2006, 05:37 AM
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Re: Damn cookie jar caught me again
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Maybe it's because I'm running bad and seeing monsters everywhere, but can't this guy have the 8? I've seen more people getting scared for the ace on the flop but can't just fold on the flop, (something like Ks8d) and decide to calldown. After they see you check the turn, they assume you dont have ace and will bet any river ( I think they would even bet it with the 4). Ofcourse the 8 on the river makes this a bit more unlikely, would like to hear why my thoughts are wrong because I'm pretty sure they're. [/ QUOTE ] If he has an 8, he probably has 2 or he has A8s. An 8 is very unlikely here. There's no reason to believe he has one really. His range is mostly PP's broadway suited cards, and AT/A9s type hands IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Wow, that's a really tight defending range for a TAG four handed. Anyways, I like how you played. [/ QUOTE ] Well I was talking about the river. His pf cc is strange. It's hard to put a range on that. If it were me, I'd have a lot of J9s/87s type hands, but I don't see many SB cc's from other tags.
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#8
10-18-2006, 10:09 AM
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Re: Damn cookie jar caught me again
i am not even going to talk about pf......
i think that tag sb cc pf and on the flop means that i am pretty much done with this hand. I dont see how much of his range you are up against (except fd).
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#9
10-18-2006, 10:19 AM
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Re: Damn cookie jar caught me again
This is fine. Flop is "I have an ace, does he?" Turn is "oh he doesn't have an ace" river is "now i have to bet my ace".
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#10
10-18-2006, 10:33 AM
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Re: Damn cookie jar caught me again
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This is fine. Flop is "I have an ace, does he?" Turn is "oh he doesn't have an ace" river is "now i have to bet my ace". [/ QUOTE ] a TAG would likely 3-bet preflop with Ax from SB to get it HU.
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