200nl hand vs d4donkey

[pmuir10]

i dunno much about this guy but i remember reading on here that hes a 2p2er or somethin.. anyways onto the hand, he hasnt done anything remarkable at the table yet..

Effective Stacks $200 - 6max

I pickup K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the button
d4d and one other limp to me and i raise to 10$, only d4 calls.

Flop: 22$ J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
d4 checks, i bet 13 he check-raises to 40, I call.

Turn: $100 J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
d4 checks, i bet 77..

[dchz]

he probably has a flush or a J, why are you bluff-calling the flop with 2 over cards?

and i would check the turn instead, getting C/Red off the draw or getting all in here is just bad..

[pmuir10]

i called the flop to bluff the turn.

my thinking on the hand(assuming hes a decent 2p2er): he leads out when he hits this flop with a J or 55, OR continues to lead the turn when he turns his flush.. i saw the flop check raise as a move with a whiffed pp or something and figured the pot was still mine..

[dchz]

when i posted, i could see this line of thinking, and i'm not sure what to think of it right now, and i didn't have a situational read at the moment,

the play is complex, but if you don't really have any reads on him and don't know him very well, and you are playing a HUGE pot with only the 2nd nut flush draw,

no thx for me, i don't think i'd like to take this line very often w/o an awesome read

[bobman0330]

Calling this flop is pretty awful. Bet less on the turn, I think.

[bottomset]

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my thinking on the hand(assuming hes a decent 2p2er): he leads out when he hits this flop with a J or 55

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I would c/r both a J and 55

[The Truth]

Fold the flop. this is spewy.

[bilbo-san]

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my thinking on the hand(assuming hes a decent 2p2er): he leads out when he hits this flop with a J or 55

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I would c/r both a J and 55

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Why? You like it when TT folds?

If you c/r a weak J and are called, do you like your hand?


dchz,

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and i would check the turn instead, getting C/Red off the draw or getting all in here is just bad..


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I don't think getting C/Red off my 1-card flush draw to the not-even-close-to-the-2nd-nuts is bad. If any pair will fold here this is an obvious bet. Your fold equity is worth WAY more than your draw. I wouldn't be happy at all about calling a bet on a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] river if I checked behind.

OP,

Fold the flop. Against his range you are probably only going to be able to bluff a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] turn.

[orange]

wtf is with the flop call.