Capping a draw OOP

sharpie · #1 10-14-2006, 11:25 AM

39/25/2.3 over some hands.

How often do you cap big draws OOP in blind defense? Do you want a read they 3 bet overs, or does a LAG read suffice?

5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6.25BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12.25BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero???

kapw7 · #2 10-14-2006, 11:48 AM

I like the flop cap. You have a huge draw and you might even have outs with 6,7 since he can easily be 3-betting overs or other draws.

I wonder what he had on the river. It's strange he called the turn 3-bet and then raised the river.

TheGunner · #3 10-14-2006, 11:51 AM

I think he has a set and just couldn't believe you capped the flop with a FD and also couldn't believe the board didn't pair on the river. 3-bet it.

gehrig · #4 10-14-2006, 12:29 PM

this isnt a good flop to cap. here'a s poker stove trick:

Board: Tc 9s 2s
Dead: 5c 5d 6s 7s

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 86.2519 % 86.25% 00.00% { 99+, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, ATs, KTs+, Ks9s, QTs+, JTs, T9s, KTo, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 2: 13.7481 % 13.75% 00.00% { 55 }

that means that he's 86% to finish the hand with a pair of Ts or better given that 3betting range

the time to cap the flop is when its 882 and the other dude is completely full of [censored] a lot

Chiche · #5 10-14-2006, 12:50 PM

IMHO, since he didn´t cap the turn I re-raise here.

ejay · #6 10-14-2006, 01:00 PM

After he 3 bets the flop i just call. Given that i would then c/r and cap the turn then lead the river.

The way you played it, I would just call the river raise.

Leader · #7 10-14-2006, 01:39 PM

[ QUOTE ]
this isnt a good flop to cap. here'a s poker stove trick:

Board: Tc 9s 2s
Dead: 5c 5d 6s 7s

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 86.2519 % 86.25% 00.00% { 99+, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, ATs, KTs+, Ks9s, QTs+, JTs, T9s, KTo, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 2: 13.7481 % 13.75% 00.00% { 55 }

that means that he's 86% to finish the hand with a pair of Ts or better given that 3betting range

[/ QUOTE ]

Wait...What? Could you explain this to me?

kapw7 · #8 10-14-2006, 01:53 PM

[ QUOTE ]
this isnt a good flop to cap. here'a s poker stove trick:

Board: Tc 9s 2s
Dead: 5c 5d 6s 7s

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 86.2519 % 86.25% 00.00% { 99+, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, ATs, KTs+, Ks9s, QTs+, JTs, T9s, KTo, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 2: 13.7481 % 13.75% 00.00% { 55 }

that means that he's 86% to finish the hand with a pair of Ts or better given that 3betting range

the time to cap the flop is when its 882 and the other dude is completely full of [censored] a lot

[/ QUOTE ]

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

gehrig · #9 10-14-2006, 01:56 PM

if he can beat 55 hes seeing a showdown. use 55 and kill the remaining 5s so it cant improve

kapw7 · #10 10-14-2006, 02:09 PM

So what does this prove. If he sees SD so often it's great because it means that he will pay with a worse hand most of the times when we make our draw. We on the other hand are not going to pay him off if we don't complete.

Most of the times he won't see SD he will be usually making a bad fold in a big pot due to our pressure. Although the cap is mostly for value, if we induce a bad fold in a large pot from time to time, this is definitely a plus.

However: I don't think that the cap has any kind of huge EV difference compared to calling since we are OOP.