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Old 01-29-2006, 01:41 AM
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Default 50NL - KK OOP. Turn action?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($49.50)
UTG ($57.70)
MP ($32.58)
CO ($0)
Button ($49.20)
SB ($61.14)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.50, SB (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, UTG calls $2.50, Button calls $2.50, SB folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, UTG calls $7, Button folds.

Turn: ($23.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="red">Hero?</font>


Villian was 31/0 after 40 hands or so.

Should of raised to $3 PF, but that isn't very important. Flop bet size is also debatable, but my real question is on the turn action. Should I (near)pot it again (fold to raise?), or should I try to go for a c/r all in? I just feel like if I bet something like 20 and I get called, I don't know where I am. It probably would be safe to assume two pair or better wouldn't smooth call two streets, but you never know. But at that point I would have 20 left with a ~60 dollar pot, so it would end up all in on the river anyways.

I just feel lost when I'm OOP with an overpair on a board with a flush draw.

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Old 01-29-2006, 01:42 AM
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Default Re: 50NL - KK OOP. Turn action?

I bet the turn 2/3 PSB. Villains love their tp hands + the draw is up.

PF is fine.
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Old 01-29-2006, 02:32 AM
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Default Re: 50NL - KK OOP. Turn action?

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I bet the turn 2/3 PSB. Villains love their tp hands + the draw is up.

PF is fine.

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If you are raised on the the turn are you calling?
And if you are called on the turn, are you pushing a blank river?
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Old 01-29-2006, 02:38 AM
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Default Re: 50NL - KK OOP. Turn action?

UTG limped, I think for many players, this limits the variety of hands they could have. Many people limp hands like QJs, etc. OR small pairs. I'd probably bet something around 2/3 of the pot (as said here) and see how it develops. If the villain pushes though, I'd have hard time calling it since it'd indicate (most likely) a set. On that board, not many hands could've two paired.

Unless you can limit your opponents hands, do you consider him having other than the possible flush outs ? If he has something like top pair, you have to be concerned of ~14 outs of which 5 are unknown unless you can narrow it down.

Betting it is always good though, most of these people are more inclined to call than to raise, you can try betting a bit less in hopes of getting a call instead of a raise if you feel your opponent isn't good enough to pick on your blockers.
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Old 01-29-2006, 02:45 AM
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Default Re: 50NL - KK OOP. Turn action?

Starvs-

I think planning for a c/r AI on the turn is downright madness I would hurt myself if villain checked behind. I like betting 15 or so on the turn. If raised I'd have a pretty hard time getting away from this, particularly against an unknown player.

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I just feel lost when I'm OOP with an overpair on a board with a flush draw.

[/ QUOTE ] Why?

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Old 01-29-2006, 02:59 AM
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Starvs-

I think planning for a c/r AI on the turn is downright madness I would hurt myself if villain checked behind. I like betting 15 or so on the turn. If raised I'd have a pretty hard time getting away from this, particularly against an unknown player.

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I just feel lost when I'm OOP with an overpair on a board with a flush draw.

[/ QUOTE ] Why?

Regards-
Quarkncover

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Probably becaues I feel like whatever I do I'm not gonna find out where I am or I'll be put in an ehhh situation (get raised). But I just gotta suck it up and put in money.

Thanks all for the help.

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Old 01-29-2006, 03:04 AM
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starvs,

read what Vammakala wrote.
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