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10-09-2006, 02:50 PM
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Fun little home game: Call a bluff w/ten high on the river?
(X-posted in MTT)
================= So I think we were 6 handed in our "big" tourney yesterday. $30 buy-in, t5,000 starting chips, 45 minute blinds. I had like 5 people bail last minute, so we only had 12 show. Payout: 160,100,60,30,10 Yes, I said 10. Often, in our longer tourney's we'll pay half-buyin to what previously would've been the bubble boy. This took the $5s out of the 165, 105 previously given to 1st/2nd. So there is t60,000 in play. I have about t12,000 Chip leader has about t25,000 He got all of his chips in about 2 or 3 big hands. He's a solid player who knows the ins/outs of the game. A pretty serious intellectual/nerd/geek. He mixes up his play pretty well and has several different speeds. His default style of play is generally maniacal...though with the slower structure and him already having 1/3 of the chips in play, he's been playing relatively tight. However, he is the type of player, though, that will sit out for a dozen or two hands, but then suddenly go deep w/complete trash - no pair no draw. So to say he has been playing tight, is more of a concept of tournament strategy and less of a concept of starting hand selection. Anyways... Blinds at 150 300 A25, he raises my BB in the CO or Hijack to 900. Read: He's raising pretty weak here. I have T8s and decide to mix up my play and call. (planning on stealing postflop) Flop: 994 rainbow I check (w/the intention of C/R'ing) He checks behind (pretty much sensing I was going to try to blow him off the hand if he bets) Turn: A I rep the ace (which I know he doesn't have) and lead out t1,000 He mulls it over and finally calls. Read: He doesn't have much. He might be floating a card to steal the river. Though, I really think he has a low-mid PP and is snapping off my bluff. He's realizing/thinking that if I actually hit the ace, I wouldn't have bet it, as that has little-no value in this situation. He doesn't think I have much here, either. River: A I check (assuming he'd checkbehind) He mulls it over and fires out t2,500 Read: He has a PP, and he bet out 2,500 'cuz he knows he's been counterfeited I had a pretty strong read here in general, and these are the only things that worry me the most: a) He floated broadway on the turn and has a better high card than me. b) My read is 100% wrong (which is always possible, even though I was nearly certain of it here in this case) I folded 'cuz I couldn't find the courage to call w/ten high. I think the river is the most interesting street here and was hoping for thoughts/reactions to that. Though, entire hand is open for debate, obv. BTW, I know preflop is a little thin, and I had been playing fairly tight all day. This was one of my few 'mix up' hands in 9 hours of play. Snarf Edit: FWIW, Villian is a 2p2 lurker. He has like a dozen posts or something. 
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#5
10-09-2006, 03:04 PM
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Re: Fun little home game: Call a bluff w/ten high on the river?
I don't think your reads are very internally consistent. You think he's raising very light PF, conclude he doesn't have an A, and then think at the end that his most likely holding is a pocket pair less than 9s? I'm not seeing it. This line isn't terribly unrealistic for an A, and he could easily be value betting a K on the river (you are considering a call with T high, after all.)
Calling preflop with the intention of stealing most flops is fine, but I think you should generally be doing it with a lead rather than a c/r, at least with a 40 BB stack anyway. The c/r is more expensive when you're wrong, and if he thinks you're going to be moving on him anyway not really much more convincing. If you're willing to spend some money on it, then I think a more effective plan is to two barrel him and bet again on the turn, since I'm guessing you're not frequently following up your standard c-bets with turn shots. Home games are also the perfect venue for making this call. Not so much because you can justify it for meta-game reasons (maybe you can), but because the non-monetary value of that level of ownage when you're right is large.
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#7
10-09-2006, 03:17 PM
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Re: Fun little home game: Call a bluff w/ten high on the river?
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Fold preflop Do you really want to be playing OOP against the chip leader here? Even if he is a maniac? [/ QUOTE ] Ladies and Gents, I'd like to introduce the villian of the hand. He now has 20 posts, and I think like 15 of them are in threads I've made. 10 of those are about hands involving him, lol. Wombat - the only reason you raised my BB is because you know that I would think that stuff you posted and fold. ? for you, do you really want to go against someone who is going to seriously consider calling you on the river with ten high? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Snarf
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#8
10-09-2006, 03:18 PM
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Re: Fun little home game: Call a bluff w/ten high on the river?
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I would rather shove the river to get him to fold a jack or a queen than call with T high [/ QUOTE ] open-shove? c/r shove? u think he folds king high to either if he doesn't think I have much?
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#9
10-09-2006, 03:26 PM
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Re: Fun little home game: Call a bluff w/ten high on the river?
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[ QUOTE ] I would rather shove the river to get him to fold a jack or a queen than call with T high [/ QUOTE ] open-shove? c/r shove? u think he folds king high to either if he doesn't think I have much? [/ QUOTE ] if you put him on king high then fold the river i don't get it, actually put him on a hand please also, after you bet the turn and checkraise the river it's hard not to believe you're full
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#10
10-09-2006, 03:30 PM
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Re: Fun little home game: Call a bluff w/ten high on the river?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would rather shove the river to get him to fold a jack or a queen than call with T high [/ QUOTE ] open-shove? c/r shove? u think he folds king high to either if he doesn't think I have much? [/ QUOTE ] if you put him on king high then fold the river i don't get it, actually put him on a hand please also, after you bet the turn and checkraise the river it's hard not to believe you're full [/ QUOTE ] I put him on a PP, that he is betting 'cuz he knows he just got counterfieted (sp?)
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