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Old 10-07-2006, 08:47 PM
Luckboxer Luckboxer is offline
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Default flopped set extraction

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $97.50
UTG+1: $42.50
MP1: $53.35
MP2: $123.35
Hero: $200.45
CO: $36.90
Button: $98.55
SB: $94
BB: $100

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to $4</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $15</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($35.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $20</font>

do I call, raise or push? does the possible flush draw make a difference?
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Old 10-07-2006, 08:57 PM
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Default Re: flopped set extraction

This is a draw heavy board, so I'm not slow playing this. From the looks at it, villain probably has AA or KK. He's already invested $35 of his $100 stack. A push might give him a chance to fold this. I don't normally advocate this, but I think a min-raise is good here. AA/KK would likely call, allowing you to get it all in on the turn.

Calling is bad IMO so you should get some kind of raise in there.
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Old 10-07-2006, 09:20 PM
olof86 olof86 is offline
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Default Re: flopped set extraction

I don't know if he could get away from AA, KK, QQ even if you moved allin.. Villain could easily put you on something like flushdraw with overcards. I'm against miniraises in some way, but in this case I'd actually agree with Cappy.. a miniraise to 40 would probably get the job done. If you don't like that, Move in! I would move in on this sorta flop, almost certainly getting called by a big pair. A bigger raise, say, if you'd make it 60 total would In my opinion be the easiest way for villain to get away from his big PP.
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Old 10-08-2006, 03:43 AM
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Default Re: flopped set extraction

Raise flop, call push.
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Old 10-08-2006, 05:33 AM
PatInTheHat PatInTheHat is offline
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Default Re: flopped set extraction

I probably fold PF to his re-raise. Your odds are not that great. As played I don't hate a min raise here but your best line is probably just pushing.
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Old 10-08-2006, 11:54 AM
Zaghomat Zaghomat is offline
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Default Re: flopped set extraction

In this situation I usually just move all-in and get called by AA/KK like 100 % of the time. The drawy board make it easier for him to call, putting you on a draw.
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Old 10-08-2006, 12:07 PM
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Default Re: flopped set extraction

I think you have to raise no matter what, because of the drawing cards -- there's a chance that if a club, or 5 or 6 come, your opponent will get away from what probably is an overpair. The only hand of his most likely in his range that has a decent number of outs about is AKc, and if he whiffs the turn with that, he may not pay you. If you just call, there's about $70 in the pot and he has $60 behind, so he may still be able to get away from the hand. So I'd either raise another $30 to about $50 and leave him with just $30. If you are going to call his $15 PF re-raise and play it for a set, it's only worth it if you can get his whole stack.
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Old 10-08-2006, 12:19 PM
Jamougha Jamougha is offline
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Go ai.
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Old 10-08-2006, 12:32 PM
Acein8ter Acein8ter is offline
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Bet the pot and push AI if it is re-raised. One of the villains could be holding AK, AQ spades. One of them is most likely holding an overpair. Take their stacks...
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Old 10-08-2006, 02:41 PM
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Just shove
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