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#1
10-04-2006, 04:15 PM
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Help - I\'m out of position and don\'t know what to do
I can play the easy hands OK - but marginal hands out of position do my head in, any tips on how to cope generally would be much appreciated, as would comments on my play in the following hand or villain's ranges at each stage.
£10 - 400+runners - approaching the money Cryptologic No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: 200/400 ante: 50 9 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $8162.50 UTG+1: $2035 MP1: $8525 MP2: $7985 MP3: $3455 CO: $1882 Button: $7611.50 SB: $13011.50 hero: $10155 Pre-flop: (9 players) hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 folds, MP2 calls $400, 2 folds, Button calls $400 , SB calls $200, hero checks. Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2050, 4 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets $1200</font>, MP2 calls $1200, 2 folds. Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($4450, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">hero bets $2000</font>, MP2 calls $2000. River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8450, 2 players) hero ??? 
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#3
10-04-2006, 04:23 PM
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Re: Help - I\'m out of position and don\'t know what to do
Flop is fine. Check/evaluate turn. As played, check/evaluate (probably call) river, MP could have a middle pair often enough on this board to probably merit calling any size bet since he's fairly short-stacked.
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#4
10-04-2006, 04:23 PM
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Re: Help - I\'m out of position and don\'t know what to do
I think you put in too much money in this pot out of position. Unfortunately, it's check-fold time.
I don't mind the flop bet to try to pick it up, but I think you should have checked the turn with the intentions of folding to a large bet there.
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#5
10-04-2006, 04:29 PM
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Re: Help - I\'m out of position and don\'t know what to do
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Flop is fine. Check/evaluate turn. As played, check/evaluate (probably call) river, MP could have a middle pair often enough on this board to probably merit calling any size bet since he's fairly short-stacked. [/ QUOTE ] I think if villain puts in his remaining 4K+ into that pot on the river, a call would be spewing (although with pot odds this is why hero put himself in bad shape with the 2k bet on the turn). I think villain checks behind with his middle pair quite often. If the river wasn't a spade then I might be more inclined to call hoping to pick off his busted flush draw.
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#6
10-04-2006, 04:37 PM
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Re: Help - I\'m out of position and don\'t know what to do
I am assuming the BB is 400...w/out a read I assign villain a pretty wide range for limping and KTo is a slight dog-coinflip against that range. As played I c/c the turn and probably c/f the river.
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#9
10-04-2006, 04:42 PM
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Re: Help - I\'m out of position and don\'t know what to do
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Flop is fine. Check/evaluate turn. As played, check/evaluate (probably call) river, MP could have a middle pair often enough on this board to probably merit calling any size bet since he's fairly short-stacked. [/ QUOTE ] I think if villain puts in his remaining 4K+ into that pot on the river, a call would be spewing (although with pot odds this is why hero put himself in bad shape with the 2k bet on the turn). I think villain checks behind with his middle pair quite often. If the river wasn't a spade then I might be more inclined to call hoping to pick off his busted flush draw. [/ QUOTE ] Well, if he pushes, it's like, 3:1 pot odds? Question is whether or not Villain pushes a hand we're beating that often. I dunno. It's close. Maybe calling a push is spewing, but it's not horrible with the pot odds and the fact that a desperate opponent could bluff at this river with a fairly wide range since he should still have some FE against Hero here.
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#10
10-04-2006, 04:46 PM
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Re: Help - I\'m out of position and don\'t know what to do
One alternative line here is check/calling the flop, then check-raising the turn. You'll possibly get hands like KJ or KQ to fold, as you'll be representing a 2 (and you could have anything being the BB here). The only hands to really be afraid of are 22 and 33, right? And if he checks behind on turn, you value bet or in this case, maybe check/call or check/fold the river if you think he made his flush.
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