Quads in a strange situation

TheThinMan · #1 10-02-2006, 01:42 AM

Live 2-5NL

UTG ($120) is tilting and straddles. I ($550) elect to call UTG+1 with AA intending to LRR. Guy on my left with $650 calls. He is playing ok but pretty loose. Everyone folds to the blinds, both of whom have less than $250 and they both call.

Straddler checks.

Flop ($50) A K 4 rainbow. Checked to me and I check. Guy on my left bets $25, Sb calls, BB folds, Straddler calls. I am pretty certain guy on my left will not bet a gutshot draw, and since I don't care about the other two I just call.

Turn ($150) is another Ace. Checked around

River is a Q. Checked to me and I bet $100.

Thoughts?

On the flop I was hoping villain on my left had an Ace or two pair that I could CR the turn with, but that turn card pretty much killed my action.

FGators · #2 10-02-2006, 01:43 AM

I personally either lead out or raise the flop here...i would bet the turn, too.

smartalecc5 · #3 10-02-2006, 02:41 AM

Lets get the pot built. Put more money in it somewhere.

TheThinMan · #4 10-03-2006, 01:14 AM

I was gonig to CR the flop, but then the other two guys called and I got greedy since I have no idea what they are check calling with.

I thought about betting the turn, but I have the deck crippled and I don't think I get called unless somebody has a set of 4's. I was really hoping that villain on my left would bet and I could maybe double through.

Most of the time I would bet the turn, but I felt this was a special case.

The SB called my river bet.

luckychewy · #5 10-03-2006, 01:18 AM

i would not consider checking this flop 5 ways unless i was very sure the guy behind me would bet(read:90%+). not so much for fear of losing to a random gutshot but i would want to get as much money is as possible before people start doubting their hands.

a lot of ppl in these games peel the flop but fold the turn, if flop gets checked through and you bet the turn you might lose a caller you would've gotten on the flop. same goes for the turn though, it's possible someone has a king and is looking to c/r and you might lose value by checking if guy behind you checks through.

terp · #6 10-03-2006, 01:28 AM

jesus man...you played this like you hate money and i would expect 90% of slowplaying donks to do it.

yeah, the turn sucks, but you might as well bet it. i might even go >pot. people love to do the whole "you don't have anace" and look you up light with Kx. let the gutshot chasers call drawing dead.

Gary Stevenson · #7 10-03-2006, 01:36 AM

i dont think that turn is terrible. chances are the guy to your left has a decent king (or air unfortunately if you dont think he's betting a gutshot on the flop) and he will think that the ace helped his hand. i dont mind just calling the flop if you dont lead the it. i like leading the turn though, doesn't have to be a huge bet, let the guy with KQ/KJ think his hand is good and he will be able to see a showdown.

amoeba · #8 10-03-2006, 04:51 AM

this is a horrible flop to go 4 way to the turn with as you are getting stacked if somebody hits their gutshot but they get away easily if they miss.

In other words, your slowplay does you no good.

TheThinMan · #9 10-04-2006, 12:00 AM

Thanks, everyone

I chose to get fancy on this flop sicne the SB and straddler were short on chips; had they had more I would have certainly led or CR the flop given the opportunity. I was aware of the gutshot possibility but was certain that villain on my left would not bet a gutshot, and I wanted to trap him.

Generally, I agree that the turn is a bet, although I felt that I would not get called in this situation.

On the river maybe I should have bet even more. Villain on my left fiddled with his chips for a minute and folded what he said later was a king. SB called me, with what I don't know.