grunch

slicer65 · #1 09-29-2006, 10:03 AM

The raiser on the turn had been a calling station for the most part. Should I have just ditched after his raise on the turn?

Preflop: hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG+2 bets, hero raises, MP2 calls, UTG+2 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls, hero caps, MP2 calls, 5 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 bets, hero raises, MP2 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 bets, hero raises, MP2 calls, UTG+2 3-bets, hero?

MrWookie · #2 09-29-2006, 10:15 AM

You asking us to grunch this? What hands could UTG possibly have here? How many ways can he have them? How many outs do you have against the things that beat you?

slicer65 · #3 09-29-2006, 10:24 AM

I know it was an easy call. This is the first time in my life that I put effort into something and struggled this much. Calculus, economics, computers I get without much effort. Every time I think Im getting a handle on the concepts of poker, I get kicked in the teeth repeatedly and go on tilt. Im really struggling.

bennyhana · #4 09-29-2006, 12:11 PM

call it down and expect to chop, or lose to a flush.

MrWookie · #5 09-29-2006, 12:13 PM

Lose to a flush? With A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the board? O rly?

bennyhana · #6 09-29-2006, 12:15 PM

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with a calling station, we assume, donking and raising the turn, sure why not. with all the information we have on this guy, I've narrowed his range down to K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

halpgr · #7 09-29-2006, 12:28 PM

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I know it was an easy call. This is the first time in my life that I put effort into something and struggled this much. Calculus, economics, computers I get without much effort. Every time I think Im getting a handle on the concepts of poker, I get kicked in the teeth repeatedly and go on tilt. Im really struggling.

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It sounds like you have a grasp on the poker concepts. You sound like you need to work on the "concepts" of accepting variance, and tilt control.

Bona · #8 09-29-2006, 12:34 PM

To make any kind of useful comment here we should know the limits being played, any read on tight or loose for these players? How many hands played.

A couple of oter things arent clear Did UTG+2 3 bet the flop and you capped? You have him calling himself in the description but I expect thats a typo. Also in your setup you referred to one of them as the turn raiser calling station. Is that UTG+2. Are you concerned about MP2? I would be.

Preflop (as read) seems fine.

Flop seems OK.

Turn is second donk bet from UTG+2 I might have called that and called down from there. Villian is hot for his hand (AA or KK?) and MP2 wont go away (flush? would he play any 2 suited that far?

Over all I think I slow down before you did and should fold if MP2 gets aggressive. But I'm not that smart. I probably call down barring a fourth spade on the river..

MrWookie · #9 09-29-2006, 01:19 PM

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Lose to a flush? With A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the board? O rly?

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with a calling station, we assume, donking and raising the turn, sure why not. with all the information we have on this guy, I've narrowed his range down to K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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After a preflop 3bet? That's the only flush hand remotely available. There are as many KK's and AA's out there.

bennyhana · #10 09-29-2006, 01:33 PM

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Lose to a flush? With A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the board? O rly?

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with a calling station, we assume, donking and raising the turn, sure why not. with all the information we have on this guy, I've narrowed his range down to K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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After a preflop 3bet? That's the only flush hand remotely available. There are as many KK's and AA's out there.

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ummm, I was just kidding.