Ugly AJ play - where did I go wrong?

Oranzith · #1 09-28-2006, 07:43 PM

Pretty generic - no reads at all on the player, not enough hands for stats yet either. With position, I feel I should have re-raised the flop to figure out where I was, perhaps a raise to a dollar. This is the 3rd hand at the table

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($0)
Button ($5.22)
SB ($4.65)
BB ($4.41)
UTG ($6.45)
Hero ($4.94)
MP1 ($10.45)
MP2 ($7.57)
MP3 ($6.06)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.02.
UTG calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.25, 6 folds, UTG calls $0.21.

Flop: ($0.56) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50.

Turn: ($1.56) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets $1.

Hero?

pernavoi · #2 09-28-2006, 07:51 PM

Fold preflop. Bad position weak hand. Don't miniraise preflop.

And with given action fold to turn bet.

Oranzith · #3 09-28-2006, 08:03 PM

true, AJo was weak and that was loose. Although .25 is not a miniraise at these stakes, typically a raise such as that gets 1-2 callers about half the time, half the time everyone folds. its 6x the BB

Of course, these are as micro stakes as it gets, so not much to interpret

EMc · #4 09-28-2006, 08:04 PM

UTG at full ring I also toss AJo. As played, I raise the flop. If he 3 bets or bets the turn, payce.

pernavoi · #5 09-28-2006, 08:05 PM

My bad about miniraise thought we were in NL10.

WutRUTryin2Hit · #6 09-28-2006, 08:36 PM

I also dislike the preflop play, also I am confused why it says 3 players to the flop?

Anyway, once you reach the flop, you've hit about the worst flop for AJ where you still have a pair, and the guy just bet the pot into you. I don't think this is a good time to raise, it just seems like spewing here, cause you're going to get called by soooo many hands, and then even if the guy checks the turn, you're not really sure where you stand. If you don't improve, you're going to have to check behind, and then you're going to probably have to call a big bet on the river unimproved. Plus if the guy is playing a pair+str8 draw, catching 2 pair is going to cost you some money.

I just think your reverse implied odds are way too high here, your hand is pretty bad for this flop, and there is no point continuing here unless you have a read that the guy is bluffing with like 99 or worse. I'm not going to do math, but I think if you checked his non-bluff range of hands here, you're not in good shape to call him down for pot bets.