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Old 09-27-2006, 12:18 PM
agent_fish agent_fish is offline
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Default 88 BB Steal Defense

I have no reads on villain.

Party Poker ($0.50/$1 limit). Hand converted by Check Raised hand converter

Preflop (4 players): Hero is BB with
1 fold.
BTN 2 bets.
1 fold.
<u>HERO 3 bets.</u>
BTN caps.
<u>HERO calls [8.5:1].</u>

Flop (8.5 small bets ($4.25) in pot, 2 players):

<u>HERO checks.</u>
BTN bets.
<u>HERO ??[9.5:1].</u>
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Old 09-27-2006, 12:39 PM
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Default Re: 88 BB Steal Defense

He capped. Just fold, you are only beating AQ and very, very rarely AJ. And even those hands have ten outs against you.
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Old 09-27-2006, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: 88 BB Steal Defense

The question boils down to what hand range is it plus EV to play this against after the flop given the size of the pot and implied odds vs. the likelyhood that your opponent is playing that hand range or worse (higher EV than the +EV threshold for our hero).
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Old 09-27-2006, 12:55 PM
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Default Re: 88 BB Steal Defense

I did fold. It just sucked to have to give up so easily, especially when I feel like I haven't been going to SD enough recently.

If the flop had been 10 6 2 rainbow, how would the plan change?
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Old 09-27-2006, 01:30 PM
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Default Re: 88 BB Steal Defense

Then I'd call down and fold to an A.
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Old 09-27-2006, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: 88 BB Steal Defense

The advice suggested so far seems very weak to me. Maybe my perception is skewed because I've been playing higher limits but I at least call the flop here and reevaluate on the turn. If the flop came 10 6 2 I would c/r the flop or bet/3bet and lead all the way probably folding to more aggression.
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Old 09-27-2006, 05:23 PM
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Default Re: 88 BB Steal Defense

He capped, but it's a BSB and you have position. I think
you can use your position to see the turn. I also think
reads are vital.
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Old 09-27-2006, 05:57 PM
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Default Re: 88 BB Steal Defense

[ QUOTE ]
He capped, but it's a BSB and you have position. I think
you can use your position to see the turn. I also think
reads are vital.

[/ QUOTE ]

He's button, I'm BB=OOP.
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Old 09-27-2006, 06:16 PM
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Default Re: 88 BB Steal Defense

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He's button, I'm BB=OOP.

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Oh, misread the hand. Then a fold looks good.
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Old 09-27-2006, 07:16 PM
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Default Re: 88 BB Steal Defense

[ QUOTE ]
The advice suggested so far seems very weak to me. Maybe my perception is skewed because I've been playing higher limits but I at least call the flop here and reevaluate on the turn. If the flop came 10 6 2 I would c/r the flop or bet/3bet and lead all the way probably folding to more aggression.

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Im not sure that at any level folding 88 on this board after a capper is wrong, of course that's as long as they are fairly reasonable. Say &lt;25% pfr.
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