AJ, TPTK OOP vs preflop raiser (2 examples)

[catalyst]

Couple AJ TPTK spots.

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Hand 1
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($161.75)
SB ($198.35)
Hero ($131)
UTG ($160.78)
MP ($33.33)
CO ($104.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $19</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $60</font>

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HAND 2
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($116.40)
UTG ($102.35)
Button ($233.16)
SB ($49.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $3</font>, SB (poster) calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($9) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $5</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, Button calls $11.

Turn: ($41) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $25</font>


Advice on all streets is appreciated. I am aware my actions at the flop and turn are especially weak in hand 2. I will input some of my thought process later.

[Dan Bitel]

why are you c/r those flops?

[catalyst]

Against a preflop stealer (both raisers were on the button) I will c/r. The majority of the time, the preflop raiser will drop his hand. In the cases where he doesn't, I am not sure how I want to proceed. If I am up against an EP raiser, I will not take the same line.

If I just lead out on these boards, most of the time the preflop raiser will just drop his hand, and I will gain very little value from my hand in these situations. Maybe leading out or c/c is the best option here, I'm not sure. That is why I posted these hands.

[Dan Bitel]

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Against a preflop stealer (both raisers were on the button) I will c/r. The majority of the time, the preflop raiser will drop his hand. In the cases where he doesn't, I am not sure how I want to proceed. If I am up against an EP raiser, I will not take the same line.

If I just lead out on these boards, most of the time the preflop raiser will just drop his hand, and I will gain very little value from my hand in these situations. Maybe leading out or c/c or leading is the best option here, that is why I posted these hands.

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what worse hands call a flop C/R? What better ones fold?

(I like c/c flop)