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Old 09-24-2006, 05:28 PM
djb djb is offline
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Default JJ flop call or raise?

PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, Hero folds.

I'm trying to understand pot odds a little better (OK, at all...) On reviewing this hand, as far as I can see, I had 2 outs to make a set on the turn or 22.5:1 and the pot size is 13:1. But if I take the river into account pot odds are 11:1 so I should call.

But but but, I've got JJ which is a good hand and nobody's been particularly interested so far... So I thought I'd raise - I suppose to get rid of anybody who wasn't really keen, and to see what the SB wanted to do, and anyway calling here seemed a bit wimpy...

Raising doesn't see to fit the pots odds thing, though, so should I have just called? Or are we getting into implied odds territory here? (which I confess I haven't really looked at yet)

When the turn didn't hit, I folded because the pot odds didn't feel right even to call (22:1) against the pot size of 12BB.

Is this on the right lines, or have I misunderstood?

Many thanks

David
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