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Old 01-27-2006, 06:42 AM
Bob L Bob L is offline
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Default was this a bad laydown?

As you will see we are debating whether laying down QQ was the right play or not.What you think?
#Game No : 3444731861
***** Hand History for Game 3444731861 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:19586165 Level:15 Blinds (1500/3000) - Friday, January 27, 03:07:31 EDT 2006
Table Multi-Table(579033) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: killerking1 ( $16927 )
Seat 2: Lewdogg ( $33351 )
Seat 3: bigjake61 ( $59044 )
Seat 4: ddog73 ( $57760 )
Seat 5: jwgnjgbcg ( $47284 )
Seat 6: cobra161 ( $28924 )
Seat 7: SimplyWicked ( $38930 )
Seat 9: pghbarber ( $23718 )
Seat 10: peachcustard ( $10529 )
Trny:19586165 Level:15
Blinds (1500/3000)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jwgnjgbcg [ Qh Qs ]
peachcustard is all-In [10529]
killerking1 folds.
Lewdogg is all-In [33351]
bigjake61 folds.
ddog73 folds.
jwgnjgbcg folds.
cobra161 folds.
SimplyWicked folds.
pghbarber folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 7d, 8h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ac ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2h ]
peachcustard shows [ Ah, 2c ] two pairs, aces and twos.
Lewdogg shows [ Jd, Ad ] a pair of aces.
Lewdogg wins 22822 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
peachcustard wins 25558 chips from the main pot with two pairs, aces and twos.
Game #3444733188 starts.
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Old 01-27-2006, 06:45 AM
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Default Re: was this a bad laydown?

Oh by the way if I remember correctly we were down to the final 18-19 or so in nl$30 mutli.
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Old 01-27-2006, 06:50 AM
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Default Re: was this a bad laydown?

I'd go all in considering both their stack sizes are small. If they both had 3 times as many chips then a fold would be more understandable. They're both pretty desperate at this point and I expect to be winning the vast majority of the time
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Old 01-27-2006, 06:51 AM
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Default Re: was this a bad laydown?

easy push. those stacks are tinnnny
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Old 01-27-2006, 06:53 AM
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Default Re: was this a bad laydown?

mines only slightly bigger than the reraiser and i thought at best I would be racing.Losing that pot would have left me in bad shape.At the time I thought I would wait for a better spot -my freind disagreed and said he would have pushed.
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Old 01-27-2006, 06:54 AM
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all sorts of pairs isolate there. Also AJs+. and KQs too probably.


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Old 01-27-2006, 06:59 AM
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Default Re: was this a bad laydown?

Given these guy's pushing ranges at this point - you're more than 50% to TRIPLE your investment here. You need to accumulate chips if you're trying to win this thing.

Push.

The fact that you would have lost this PARTICULAR hand does not chage the fact that the CORRECT play for you was to push.
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Old 01-27-2006, 07:19 AM
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Default Re: was this a bad laydown?

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mines only slightly bigger than the reraiser and i thought at best I would be racing.Losing that pot would have left me in bad shape.At the time I thought I would wait for a better spot -my freind disagreed and said he would have pushed.

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You are giving far too much credit to opponents' hand strength late in a tournament, especially with these stack sizes.
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Old 01-27-2006, 08:13 AM
Jason Strasser (strassa2) Jason Strasser (strassa2) is offline
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Default Re: was this a bad laydown?

Y E S
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Old 01-27-2006, 08:36 AM
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Default Re: was this a bad laydown?

Jason,

When I saw you responded to this thread, before I opened it I kept wondering in what words you would have said that. Needless to say, your response was a lot less sarcastic and complicated than I would have expected. Your way works too I guess [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].
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