JTo in the Big Blind.

[Burning_K]

CO is 18/11 and fairly aggressive post flop. (260 hands)
SB is 26/16 and also aggressive post flop. (870 hands)


Limit .25/.50 - 8 handed. (Apologies but the hand convertor isn't working at moment so I'm doing it manually)

Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Preflop: 5folds. <font color="#CC3333">CO Raises</font>. SB calls. Hero calls. (6 sb)

Flop is 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO Raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls. (10 sb)

Turn is 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls. (7 bb)

River is Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#CC3333">Hero?</font>


CO would steal pre-flop with a large range in this situation. The table was generally pretty tight.
I bet what I figured could easily be the best hand on the flop. I also figured the re-raise could be either a better hand or a possible free card attempt. I'm unsure about the Turn play but I have a good number of outs with my gutshot and Ten/Jack outs.

Comments on any street welcome.

[jrz1972]

My usual play in these spots is to check-raise the flop and go from there. The problem with leading (your flop bet is sometimes called a "weak lead" or more colorfully a "gaybet") is that many villains will raise every single time, and then you face a choice of 3-betting or donking the turn, which is a spew when you're behind, or giving a free card or a free showdown which sucks if you're ahead.

So I would check. If villain bets and SB folds, I'll raise and lead every street, reevaluating if villain raises again somewhere. If SB calls, I might raise or I might call and donk the turn. Either of these lines is superior to leading the flop IMO.

[kleinstadt1]

-grunch-

Is villain the CO or the button? You say it's eight handed, but there are five folds, villain (CO) and the two blinds. That's eight. My thoughts below are based on he's the button and you're putting him on a possible blind steal. If he's the CO, I think that changes the ranges of hands a bit.

I fold this pre-flop. Pot is tiny and SB calling dramatically reduces your pot equity. I don't generally like defending my blinds with JTo, FWIW.

Flop: three-bet. If capped you can safely c/f the turn. If you're going to defend your blinds, DEFEND YOUR BLINDS.

Turn: 9 pretty clean outs makes you 4.11-1. Getting 6-1. Peel one off.

River: c/f.

Edit: I agree, c/r the flop is superior.

[ncboiler]

Given your read you need to bet the turn. Given the way you play it I think the river is a c/c

[Burning_K]

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-grunch-

Is villain the CO or the button? You say it's eight handed, but there are five folds, villain (CO) and the two blinds. That's eight. My thoughts below are based on he's the button and you're putting him on a possible blind steal. If he's the CO, I think that changes the ranges of hands a bit.

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Yes you're right, villain was the button in this hand sorry.

I do like the flop c/r line after thinking about it. If the turn was a brick it would also save a bet (compared to the bet/3bet flop line) if we had to fold yes?

Say we took the c/r line on the flop, we'd still have to call the turn here with our outs.
So on the river does everyone still fold given the larger pot now (8 big bets, I think)?

[CrMenace]

*grunch*

Because this is a blind steal situation, I think you can afford to be a little more aggressive on the flop. b/3b is the line I like the best; I could see check raising as well.

You for sure can call down with top pair because of the blind steal situation.

[CrMenace]

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If the turn was a brick it would also save a bet (compared to the bet/3bet flop line) if we had to fold yes?

Say we took the c/r line on the flop, we'd still have to call the turn here with our outs.

So on the river does everyone still fold given the larger pot now (8 big bets, I think)?

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I think with a flop c/r, this plays out a lot differently, so you wouldn't be calling the turn, you'd be leading.

I also think you're playing on the strength of your pair, not your draw. I don't know if anyone else advocates folding this river as played or after a flop c/r, but I don't. Nor to I fold a non-draw turn.

[Burning_K]

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I think with a flop c/r, this plays out a lot differently, so you wouldn't be calling the turn, you'd be leading.


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Sorry, I meant that if we c/r the flop and villain 3bets then we'd be considering c/f a non-helpful turn.
If villain just calls the c/r then for sure I'd lead the turn.

[CrMenace]

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Sorry, I meant that if we c/r the flop and villain 3bets then we'd be considering c/f a non-helpful turn.
If villain just calls the c/r then for sure I'd lead the turn.

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I love to hear an experts thoughts on what to do once your c/r is 3-bet, but here are mine:
1) If you call down from there, you'll be risking 2.5BB to win 9, assuming villain bets all streets.
2) Given this is a blind steal situation, villain has a much wider hand range than normal. For instance, he may 3-bet any T, and some villains might 3-bet a 9 or whiffed overs. Because of the wider hand range, I think our JT beats villain 2.5/9 times.
3) we still have 5 outs to two pair or better.

So I think I call down from the flop 3-bet. Maybe I fold to an A or [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].