Too passive with my set?

[cmcneilly]

Just sat down at the table, no reads on anyone. I'm brand spankin' new at this, < 500 hands, so would appreciate some guidance.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.05/$0.1
7 players
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Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6SB, 6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5BB, 4 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (13BB, 4 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP1 folds, Hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 22BB

[Sushiglutton]

Bet, raise, bet, raise etc. 5opps, tow flush, straight draws, yada, yada...

[Ampelmann]

Bet flop. Since you didn't, raise flop. If someone treys it start dancing happily, thinking about all the money you're going to make, and cap it (or go to say 10 bets if allowed to).

Since you didn't , c/r turn, cap if given the opportunity (you might think about dancing happily again).

Since you didn't, slow down on the river. You maybe allowed a gutshot to draw cheaply.

Edit: Looking at the action again I now think we're good here most of the time. Nobody woke new up on the river.

[btspider]

i hate that you allowed everyone to possibly see the river for one SB postflop.

the entire hand is terrible.

read some books, try commenting on others hands to get a feel for how to play. search for "-re: +set" for some other set hands.

[Jago]

I like how you check/called the ENTIRE hand with sets...

[Marquoz]

Worst. Set. Ever.

[DJSirMatthew]

*grunch*

Let's try this. (kinda brand spankin' new as well for me)

Pre-flop I'm raising this. With 4 limpers in already, chances are big everyone is going to call the raise, thus I'm sweetening the pot in a favorable situation (5 people to flop is quite good for a hand like 99 I think, correct me if I'm wrong).

On the flop i might decide to check/raise or just bet out. True, raising pre-flop would have been bad with this flop, since the pot would be too big to protect my hand against the flush draw, but it's too big now too anyway. But check/call is only good if you want to slowplay the set.

Turn: definitely 3-bet here. Not much point in slowplaying to river.

River: should have capped this one.

Just my 2 cents...

[Darkplate]

Grunch.

Pre-flop is fine.

Flop, I would have check-raised.

Turn, you still have the best possible hand unless someone open limped with KK and that is extreamly unlikely. When you have the best possible hand, you want to bet and raise.

River, You are still ahead of everything. Only players with JJ and KK beat you. Not only are those rare hands, but a majority of player (correctly) raise preflop with them. Since your villians did not, then you pretty much have the best hand here. Bet like your life depended on it.

[Ampelmann]

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Flop, I would have check-raised.

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Check-raising this flop is not a good idea. If someone in LP bets and we raise, most people will fold. A c/r only works if the player right behind us bets (this was the case in this hand, but hero couldn't have known that). We have a monster. We want money in the pot. The best thing is just to bet. Hope that someone in LP raises.

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River, You are still ahead of everything. Only players with JJ and KK beat you.

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And QT. Many donks play that from any position at this level (and higher too), and most fish call to the river with their gutshot. But since nobody new woke up on the river we're still good here almost always.

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Not only are those rare hands, but a majority of player (correctly) raise preflop with them.

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I wouldn't be so sure about 5c/10c fish. But I agree that we shouldn't fear a better set here.

[Ampelmann]

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*grunch*

On the flop i might decide to check/raise or just bet out. True, raising pre-flop would have been bad with this flop,

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We have a monster and like 70% equity. Why would it be bad to have tons of money in the pot?

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since the pot would be too big to protect my hand against the flush draw,

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What do you mean by "protecting against a flush draw?" There is almost no flop (and exactly no flop at this level) where folding a flush draw would be correct. You can never protect against flush draws, but you can (and should) make them pay. Against a flush draw, a set wins 75% of the time (a flush draw typically has around 1/3 equity on the flop, however that equity drops to 1/4 if a set is out there).

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but it's too big now too anyway. But check/call is only good if you want to slowplay the set.

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Against so many people slowplaying is always wrong (unless you have quads, but even then you may miss bets by slowplaying).