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Old 09-19-2006, 06:51 PM
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Default $114 I don\'t really want to call but think I need to

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t4960)
MP (t1760)
Button (t2130)
SB (t1540)
Hero (t3110)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t1515</font>, Hero?

Villian is pushing a huge range it certainly would not surprise me if he was pushing 100%.
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Old 09-19-2006, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: $114 I don\'t really want to call but think I need to

Then it's a super easy call.
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Old 09-19-2006, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: $114 I don\'t really want to call but think I need to

With your read it just becomes a SNGPT thing and an easy call.
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Old 09-19-2006, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: $114 I don\'t really want to call but think I need to

I don't want to switch stacks with shortie. I'm still deep enough to threaten big stack with a push next hand, but if I lose this, he'll eat me up with any two.
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Old 09-19-2006, 07:00 PM
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I don't want to switch stacks with shortie. I'm still deep enough to threaten big stack with a push next hand, but if I lose this, he'll eat me up with any two.

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No. You can't pass up this kind of edge here. You are forgetting that this kid will be probably be pushing next hand or the other guys in front of him will.
Super odds + any2 = instacall.
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Old 09-19-2006, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: $114 I don\'t really want to call but think I need to

You have to be quite sure that's his range (100%) because once you start slipping down that % ladder it becomes quite close. Plus, as a general rule I prefer making "close" pushes rather than "close" calls. You've got the read though and if its indeed 100% then, yeah call.

I don't have SNGPT but I think when you get down just a little off 100% it gets yucky...At a 114 though I wouldn't be surprised if SB were playing pretty correctly though.
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Old 09-19-2006, 07:11 PM
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Default Re: $114 I don\'t really want to call but think I need to

Peter Yugoslavian and John Nash call without a read.
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Old 09-19-2006, 07:11 PM
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It is really really close (if he is pushing like 65%). I'd probably fold but it is an ez call if he could be on any 2 cards.
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Old 09-19-2006, 07:17 PM
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It is really really close (if he is pushing like 65%). I'd probably fold but it is an ez call if he could be on any 2 cards.

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I was thinking of adding you to the Peter Yugoslavian and John Nash list. It is right on the border NE-wise. 67ish/52ish.
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Old 09-19-2006, 07:17 PM
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Default Re: $114 I don\'t really want to call but think I need to

ICM gives me 21% equity for folding, 13.6% for calling and losing, 31.3% for calling and winning.
(13.6+31.3)/2 = 22.45 &gt;&gt; 21

Blimey.

Are the table dynamics and stack positions important enough to make up for this? If I can push into BB next hand, I will have 23.3% equity. So if I think there is an approx 2/3 chance of successfully pushing my next hand, I'm more or less ambivalent between pushing and calling (I'm giving up 1.5% to gain 2.3% x2/3). If I include the chance of another shortie busting before I next hit the blinds ...

I don't think I would make this call without a much deeper stack.
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