AKo OOP nut flush draw

duckman · #1 09-18-2006, 06:25 PM

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $7.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP folds, Button calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players) Hero ?

MP unknown Button is a thinking Lag 60+ VPVIP variety

Is this a bet?
What if that 7 was a spade instead would it be c/f?
Having lost 400BB this month at 5/10 I am dropping the microscope.

Thanks Karl

Chairman Wood · #2 09-18-2006, 06:36 PM

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Seriously where do you find these players??? I understand that you could see one ultra high VPIP guy that you find is a thinking player every great once in awhile but this was at least the 2nd one today. If they "thought" they wouldn't be playing this many hands. I think you standards for what is considered a "thinking" player are low.

I say give her another go. You might fold BB hands such as A8 or A5 and you could very well be betting for value against Button. The chances that you win this pot with the semibluff are slim but you can accomplish a lot of other things with another lead.

sonartec · #3 09-18-2006, 06:43 PM

i cant see how betting into two people can possibly be correct, check call is my vote.

You can probably fire again if you lost one player on the flop.

duckman · #4 09-18-2006, 06:58 PM

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MP unknown Button is a thinking Lag 60+ VPVIP variety

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Seriously where do you find these players??? I understand that you could see one ultra high VPIP guy that you find is a thinking player every great once in awhile but this was at least the 2nd one today. If they "thought" they wouldn't be playing this many hands. I think you standards for what is considered a "thinking" player are low.

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Same player. I was at a table for several hours last night and am going over trouble hands. BTW there are many LAGS that are more than just call down monkeys. Many know how to read a board and C/R when you are likely holding overs and they have a low pair daw or nothing. Thses players are tough to play against(for me at least). They bail a flop immediately when they see a king or an ace. So in otherwords they put you on a hand and they play their's accordingly.

Leader · #5 09-18-2006, 08:55 PM

Putting in the minimum seems like a good idea to me here. So c/c.